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on: October 03, 2011, 04:42:29 AM
Hi everyone. Today I discovered how drawing up a grid and trying to transfer a picture to a large canvas (700 x 1000mm) is a right pain. It's all too easy to get the details wrong on the outline that may result in a ruined painting that has taken many many hours of toil! So, I got to looking into a 'projector'! I don't know anything about them apart from the obvious of scaling up an image. I came across this one on Amazon called a 'Tracer'. it seems ok and you can use it to project small objects too. I've ordered it for £49 and free postage. It seemed a good price compared to the others out there. I've no idea how it'll turn out so, once it arrives, I'll give an update on it's quality and use. I'll post some pics. (it should be here by Friday this week hopefully).
Anyway, if you have any knowledge of these projectors or opinions on their use, please feel free to share them.
In the mean time, I'll google 'em or see if anyone on Youtube uses one. (*addition* No, there weren't any quality video reviews on this product so, looks I'll be the first to do one!)
Thanks for reading.
Here's the link to view what I ordered at Amazon. (I don't think Nolan and Denis sell 'em so, maybe they won't mind me showing the link  :))
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Artograph-Tracer-Projector/dp/B001222SA0/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317645069&sr=8-1-fkmr0
Tony  ;)
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Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
Hi Tony

Haven't used one but I'll be interested to see how you get on as that page is already in my favourite folder - there are a few vids on youtube which show how they work.

Anita


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Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 11:00:51 AM
Hi Tony

Haven't used one but I'll be interested to see how you get on as that page is already in my favourite folder - there are a few vids on youtube which show how they work.

Anita
Hello Anita! Thanks for your reply. Yeah, I'll post how I get on with it and, share some pics. I'll have another look on Youtube for the vids. The ones I found were naff! It looks straight forward enough. The Amazon feedback was a mixed bag of comments but, I still elected to give it a try.
Thanks
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Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 04:13:39 PM
that is basically an opaque projector, so you will need a darkened room to use it. I built myself one before I bought my overhead projector. They work well if the light source inside is strong enough.

I bought my overhead projector off an auction site for $100 and it works like a bomb. Only thing there is that you need to be able to print onto transparencies. If you have an inkjet you get transparencies for them. I have a colour laser so just use regular transparency sheets


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Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
that is basically an opaque projector, so you will need a darkened room to use it. I built myself one before I bought my overhead projector. They work well if the light source inside is strong enough.

I bought my overhead projector off an auction site for $100 and it works like a bomb. Only thing there is that you need to be able to print onto transparencies. If you have an inkjet you get transparencies for them. I have a colour laser so just use regular transparency sheets
Thank you Nolan. That's really interesting. I'd looked at 'Overhead Projectors' but, they seemed real expensive. Perhaps I'll get one on eBay sometime. (if I find this Tracer a pain to use in the dark!).  Hey, perhaps you'd show us a pic/video of you using the overhead projector? pls   :)
I was wondering about the 'transparencies' for my inkjet printer. I wasn't sure if you could get them. (I was gonna get some to print them grids you posted for us!).
Thanks again.
Tony  ;)
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Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 05:01:42 AM
Update on my 'Tracer Projector':
It arrived today and it was damaged in transit! Well, the special bulb was smashed. After spending ages looking through our box of bulbs I managed to find one. A low energy 20watt. The one that came with it was a 23watt spiral one. I put my one in and it worked ok but, the actual image on the canvas was absolutely useless.  :(
I had the blinds closed but daylight was still fairly strong. So, I closed the curtains. This wasn't enough to make the room dark enough. So I covered the window area with a bed sheet. Well, apart form tripping over the cable and not being able to find the picture I wanted to use, I had to turn the light on! Once I managed to adjust the distance and the angles and the focus, the final result was fair. Not good for fine detail though.
My opinion on this product is poor to say the least and, I've arranged to return it for a refund.   :yippee:
Don't waste your money on one of these.
I'm gonna get an overhead projector like Nolan instead. There's lots on eBay so, I might get one second hand for a good price.
I'll update once I get one of those.  ;)
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Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 10:56:45 AM
I'll see what I can do Tony


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Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 11:57:24 AM
I've bought a Overhead Projector (OHP) off eBay this eve for £85 (£66 + £20 postage )
I'm not familiar with this type but, I took the risk. If anyone knows much about this one, please enlighten me. It looks to have a mirror screen base so, I'm assuming it'll project ordinary photos as well as acetates. (I may be wrong!) Also, I'm hoping to be able to use it without having to make the room pitch dark.
Here's the item:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320773290851?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_500wt_1202
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Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 12:11:52 PM
it looks like a regular overhead projector. I think it's just the glass reflecting that looks like a mirror O0

You are in business now  :yippee:


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Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 12:54:12 PM
Looks good Tony, this should work out better for you than the last one.  O0
Cheers, Val

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Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 01:08:34 PM
Thank you Nolan and Val!  :thankyou:
Yeah, I hope it turns out okay. I plan to use it a lot and so it'll save me a huge amount of time and frustration drawing in outlines and proportions.
I'll update on it's use once it arrives and I set about laying in the 'Rose' outline.
Cheers  ;)
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Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 03:36:23 AM
My projector has arrived from eBay seller. It seems to work okay but, I need to buy some acetate sheets so I can print something to try it out proper. It's compact and the bottom of it is a mirror. I didn't expect that.
Anyway,  I also need new ink cartridges Arghhhh! Expensive but, essential.
I'll update and post a picture later once I've got out and bought 'em.
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Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 11:06:41 AM
Best of luck with it Tony... I'm sure it will be a valuable tool for you.
Cheers, Val

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Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 11:26:11 AM
if you have an inkjet printer you will need to use the coated sheets designed to work in the inkjet. Inkjet ink will not adhere to the regular projector acetate sheets


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Reply #14 on: October 19, 2011, 11:54:37 AM
 :thankyou: Val & Nolan.
I've just used a A4 cover (them thin ones 'ya use to store documents) and drawn on it while holding over the laptop screen. I drew round the Tulip reference picture then projected it onto the wall. It works a treat! Very clear even in a lit room. (oh, it doesn't project standard photos by the way. You were correct Nolan, it's just a regular Projector!)
Here's a pic of it in use. 'Ya can just make out the outline on the wall. Sorry, I should have used a canavas. I will next time (you may have to right click on the pictures and 'open in new tab'. They wouldn't load bigger for me but that may be because the internet is busy)

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