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on: March 10, 2016, 03:17:29 PM
I inherited a second hand box of 12 W&N watercolour tubs.  I will need to replace a few empty tubs tomorrow before leaving town.

I know that the person who previously owned the box is rather a messy painter (but a good one).  I was unable to remove the tubs as they were caked in the box.  I finally had to resort to soaking it in water.  Took me forever to dislocated them and clean it up, but does it have to be that way?

My question is how can I prevent the tubs from sticking to the box again?  A drop of Vaseline under???

I don't see anyone asking this question, so it could be that I just need to be tidy and not spill any paint/water outside the little tubs.

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Reply #1 on: March 10, 2016, 03:30:22 PM
Annie, I have a paintbox full of W&N (24) half pans, and a few full pans down the center. You will get the odd bit of paint going down the sides, or into the next one if you are anything like me! You can drive yourself crazy cleaning in between, I just refill the pans from tubes. I used to try and keep my paintbox pristine,  :doh: did in fact drive myself crazy!  :crazy2:   If you are using your paintbox fairly regularly you won't have a problem removing the pans  as they do move a little bit as you use them. If you do need to get a pan out, just spray the area around it with water, let it sit for a few minutes and it will come right out. You just need to re-hydrate the paint. The same if your pans get dry, give the whole kit a good spritz and let it sit for a few minutes, and you can pick up the paint as if it came straight from the tube. No scrubbing with your brush necessary.

Hope this helps. I'll have to get a photo of mine for you....nothing like it used to be!  ::)     :2funny:
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Reply #2 on: March 10, 2016, 05:43:11 PM
Oh, then should I buy W&N tubes of WC paint and squeeze some in the little pan, instead of buying new pans?

There is a very small tube (compared to acrylic) of W&N Cotman WC in the box she gave me.   I was wondering what it was.

Beside the obvious, what is the difference between tubes and pans?  Quality?

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Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 04:45:29 AM
No difference in quality between the two. After using both for the past 8-9 yrs. the only difference I see is when the tube paint dries out in the pans they take maybe half a minute to soak in the spray. After that, no difference using them. Plus- you save $$$  :cost: .  It adds up over time!  O0
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Reply #4 on: March 11, 2016, 04:49:00 AM
As an aside, if you carry a tube of your most used colours....you never run out of paint!!!  :yippee:
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Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 05:21:26 AM
Annie, try to buy professional grade paints, if you can. I think Cotman is W&N's student grade paint. I use tubes, and do what Val says about spritzing them in my palette. I put the lid on my palette and let them sit about half an hour, then they're good to go.
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Reply #6 on: March 11, 2016, 06:15:33 AM
Thanks BeaSue, meant to mention that I use the artist/professional quality. I have used Cotman by W&N as well. They were quite satisfactory, not quite as vibrant but not bad. I have met a few professional artists that use Cotman exclusively with no problems. There may be a difference in longevity, you can verify that on the W&N website.
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Reply #7 on: March 11, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
Thank you very much Val and BeaSue  :thankyou:   :thankyou:

After reading your posts, I head out to the art store.  Well they don't carry pans anymore, none of the 3 major art stores in this city.  Apparently very little request for them.  I choose some artists grade W&N in tubes. But ran in the art instructor/owner of the store, which I know well as he had made recommendations for acrylics supplies for my daughter for the last 20 years.

He said that W&N were over-priced and that professional artists were moving away from them.   Indeed the selection of N&W tubes was limited.  I told him I did not want Cotman student grade (your tip), and he reply that Cotman was not worth buying and too expensive for the value. 

He assured me that M. Graham was the best professional paint for the price.  He went back in the store and exchanged the W&N tubes for M. Graham ones.   He also said that he would reimbursed 120% if I could see any difference in quality.  Quick to mentioned that professionals did not.

It is true that M.Graham is quickly taking over the market here in all 3 media.  They are about double the price of student paints, but  2/3 of W&N (for e.g. say $10 for student, $20 for M.Graham, $30 for W&N). 

I use M.Graham oil and love it (except for ultramarine which I prefer W&N), it is a bit 'creamier' than W&N, pigments is good as far as I can see.  On the other hand, my daughter uses Golden acrylics, and did not like M.Graham acrylic but I do not know why.
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Reply #8 on: March 11, 2016, 11:54:44 AM
Forget...
He said to just squeeze a bit of paint in my little W&N box (no need to keep the pans in it), leave it open for 24h to dry... and then just used it as I would a dry pan.  He also said, learn not to work clean and you will never have to clean up your box again!  So will start with good habits from the beginning, as I did with oil (I copy Nolan tidiness at work  ;) )
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Reply #9 on: March 11, 2016, 03:05:06 PM
If one colour is contaminated by another, you just have to give it a swipe with clean water to get back get back to clean colour again.

Most of the professional artists' I know seem to generate toward Danielle Smith or W&N. There are a few others that use Daler Rowney (like Dennis) and a couple of other brands. It is entirely up to you which you like to work with. I tried several brands before I settled on W&N, have been playing about with some Danielle Smith of late. I like the Danielle Smith so far, but have only a small limited supply. I will most likely buy more in the future, they are less expensive than W&N (nice). I often have to use whatever I can find but W&N always seem to be available. Decide for yourself what suits you best.  O0
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Reply #10 on: March 11, 2016, 03:41:25 PM
My favorites are WN and Holbein. I have been buying more Holbein lately. They have some luscious colors.

You will develop your own preferences. Have fun!
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Reply #11 on: March 13, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
Val and BeaSue,
Thank you for the valuable advices.  Much appreciated,  :flowers:
Cheers, Annie
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Reply #12 on: March 13, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
I really like the pans best, so I found some pill containers, and they are perfect. I squeezed paint in them, put the names on the lids and just give them a squirt when I want to use them.  I also bought some larger pans of colors from Joe's and I got a lil larger pill container to put them in. Works wonderful.
Now, all I need is the energy to finish the painting!  LOL  I just keep runnin out of gas.


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Reply #13 on: March 13, 2016, 06:59:35 PM
 :heeha: Bella my love so good to see you on the forum.  :1hug:   Hoping all is well with you, take your time whatever you do.... otherwise you'll end up with paintings like mine!!!  :2funny:   Shouldn't laugh I suppose, that would be sad as you have done so very well with your pastels  O0   So looking forward to seeing what you've been working on in the shadows, hope to have a recognizable butterfly for you to ooh and aw over soon.  ;D

Take care and visit when you can.  :wave:
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Reply #14 on: March 14, 2016, 06:32:31 PM
Thank you Retta. Great tip to use pill boxes, just the right size.
Hope you are well and happy.
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Cheers, Annie
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