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dennis

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on: September 05, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
I've just read an article on the internet and in this article was the following:

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What are your goals as an artist?
I haven't set my goals because there are infinite possibilities.

Now that set me a'thinking :whistle:

Wow! what a stupid answer :eek: This just sets the scene for infinite possibilities for NOT succeeding in art.

If you plan to go somewhere you will indeed arrive at nowhere! And anywhere may not be where you would liked to have been in the first place.

My fellow artists! If you want to get to a certain place you HAVE to take out the map and chart you journey to the destination you want to get to. Art is a strange country and you have to effectively find your away around if you do not want to go around in circles - getting nowhere. Art is a jungle and those lost in a jungle often find themselves back where they started from.

I'm not going to write a complete treatise on the subject as I do not have the time at the moment, but here are a few things to think about:

Are you happy as you are?
What is you ultimate goal as an artist?
Keep it solely as a hobby?
Ultimately making a living out of art? If so, how do you plan to do it?
Have you short term goals? Medium term goals? Long term goals? Are they written down on paper?

There are lots more.

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail

Also just found this:
Your life is a motion picture, you're the Producer, the Director,  the Writer and Actor as well. You are 100% responsible for the End Result.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 12:30:13 PM by dennis »
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Reply #1 on: September 09, 2011, 11:29:34 AM
Dennis, What a great topic to bring up. I have recently become interested in art once again. Lets just say I have always put way more things on my "important list" than art. I have family and friends that have seen things I have done through the years and commented on how artistic I am. I have done drawing, painting, metal work, stained glass and even carved watermelons. I have enjoyed every bit of it as a hobby. I love to create. The only thing I ever got paid for was the melon carvings (for weddings and special events).

Ultimately I would love to transition from hobby artist to paid artist. I am just not sure in what respect. Right now I am more concerned with bettering myself to have the confidence to pull off any type of art. I would like to hear from others who are just beginning or have been at it for years and see how they may or may not succeeded in art.

Anyone want to share their stories. Good or bad, I would love to hear them all.

I think I will take the advice you and others have shared and begin to focus on the big picture.
 
:coffee: got me a cup of joe and waiting to hear the feedback.
Will Evans


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Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 06:07:51 PM
k, here is my tip for setting and achieving goals:

find one thing you want to become good at and do everything you can do learn as much about it as you can. Eg if you want to be good at painting flowers, then don't bother with landscapes and seascapes until you have mastered flowers. It's too easy nowadays to get sidetracked, so you need to stay focussed.


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Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 11:45:19 PM
Smokie, Dennis:
This is a good subject, if a person is ready to deal with it.  In the past I have painted various subjects using different techniques and I can say that I was satisfied with my paintings.  I have been away from art work for a while so since Dennis has challenged us to consider goal setting, my short term goal is to explore color mixing.  I completed the 6 color color chart and am working on learning about other color combinations.  Stopping my painting and learning more about colors has given me renewed interest in my art work.  My confidence level has risen and when I see my next subject to paint, I feel I will be ready.  I want to be successful as an artist as my long range goal and put all my effort into producing better and good work. To plan for success means to work at being successful, e.g. having better thought out compositions, better color mixing (no muddy stuff to wipe off), etc.  There is no 'hit or miss' work ethics involved here! Hope you agree with me that this is possible. It will make the difference between being a true artist and a wannabe artist! :painting: :painting:


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Reply #4 on: September 11, 2011, 09:13:28 AM
Great Topic guys and great reply Liz. I have only been painting (again) for a very short time. And I know I am not where I want to be as an artist. So I have been trying to gain as much info as I can. As I progress through this sea of information. I am beginning to realize that I need to start narrowing my focus on certain areas or subjects. You can't take it all on at the same time. It is just to much. However, I have started a list of goals as Dennis has suggested and I plan to tackle two of my weakest areas. One is composition and the other is color mixing. To do this I went to the internet and began reading up and watching tutorials. I also visited one of my local used bookstores. They always seem to have used books on hobbies and art. Great price and worth the read.

Taking on these live classes and watching videos is great. But there has to be a solid foundation in which to build your success. My problem is my mind moves way faster than my ability to process the Technics. I need to just keep my list going and slow my pace. Achieve goals to supply my confidence and I figure in no time I will be happy with where I am.

Good luck to us all in doing what we love to do.  :gl:
Will Evans


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Reply #5 on: September 11, 2011, 10:36:45 AM
Hi Smokie,  to get started with color mixing forget about throwing money to the wind buying more art books (unless you can get them on amazon.com for $.99!) Just start on the color wheel Dennis has available for us online.  That is the fastest way to begin getting comfortable with color mixing!  Now I am learning about the individual colors themselves and how to select what goes best with what color for certain greens, blues, etc. that I need in certain future compositions! After the basic 6 colors, I'm looking now at what I have in my art box. Anyway, enjoy learning by doing, and less reading from books for now! :) :)  :gl2:


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Reply #6 on: September 11, 2011, 03:23:05 PM
We have the best DVD on the market as far as composition goes - there is no other like it anywhere :)
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Reply #7 on: September 11, 2011, 07:59:19 PM
More info here -> Composition Made Easy  O0


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Reply #8 on: September 12, 2011, 05:42:06 AM
Great Suggestion Guys, I will have to take advantage of that. I need ll the insight I can gather. "My Plan" also includes picking some classic artist and some modern artist to study. I want to see what it took to make some of these people successful in their art. Including color theory and composition.
Will Evans


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Reply #9 on: October 09, 2011, 09:51:54 AM
So this is where everyone goes...I have been so used to the Oil Painting forum, that I never bothered searching anywhere else on the site.      Talking about how to get there and trying to express  ideas and views and what to avoid is the best way to get there.
The moment you find yourself mostly satisfied with a painting and think you'll "just quickly" do this or that, that's the moment to stop completely. Take the painting off your easel and put it aside for at least 24 hours, then reassess whether it really needs that tweak.


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Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 12:07:57 PM
I've been a guitar tutor for a number of years. I'm looking to change what I do. I'm 47 and I don't want to teach guitar forever more. It's a career that's unpredictable in terms of income and I have narrowed it down to part time now. I'm wanting to plan for a change and act out what Dennis suggests but, as much determination as I may have, there are constraints and limitations to reaching ones goals. Economics and market demand and local affluence all play a part in restricting plans.
I've wanted to be in the field of art for many years. I took the Bob Ross course and became a 'qualified' Landscape tutor known as CRI (Certified Ross Instructor). This was a joke. I never considered myself an artist from a course that everyone who attended obtained a 'pass' certification but, never learned colour mixing! This was one of those doors that Dennis talks about. It never worked out for me yet, I wouldn't have known that before entering.  :'(
I've thought about opening a art shop/gallery but, the cost and risk of such a venture may well be another door of doomed destiny. Some people say 'be brave and go for it'. Well, they would, it's not their debt to repay the Banks!
So, I'd love to plan ahead, shape my own destiny, take words of wisdom and set forth with solid determination but, life just isn't like that any more.
I'm intent on completing my self directed course in art after being let down over the years. Perhaps fate or destiny channelled me here through Youtube but, my learned lessons and wisdom have taught me to be sceptical and to expect little in way of progress. Who knows, perhaps I may become a genuine art instructor rather than a pretentious Bob Ross fake?!
I don't mean to sound negative because, I always try to convey encouragement to others, as I have on my Youtube channel for years but, for me personally, I have little in way of much luck.  :(
Oh well, that's that lot of mi chest!  :blush:
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Reply #11 on: October 10, 2011, 05:00:32 PM
Hey, Tony!  You've done some magnificent paintings, thanks to your Bob Ross training!  I don't think there's really a right way or better way to do art.  Don't you think it comes down to the individual's way of learning and eventually developing his own method and style?  Think about all those years we've been painting, and often by 'copying' and hit or miss techniques. . .  So will we be better artists if we stop to learn how to mix colors the 'right way'?  Maybe.  I learned about shadow colors and graduating tints in my attempts at Dennis' 6 Color Color Chart and mixing the blues and greens in my art box with yellow and white so I have a better idea of choosing sky, water and landscape colors.


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Reply #12 on: October 10, 2011, 09:00:36 PM
Hey, Tony!  You've done some magnificent paintings, thanks to your Bob Ross training!  I don't think there's really a right way or better way to do art.  Don't you think it comes down to the individual's way of learning and eventually developing his own method and style?  Think about all those years we've been painting, and often by 'copying' and hit or miss techniques. . .  So will we be better artists if we stop to learn how to mix colors the 'right way'?  Maybe.  I learned about shadow colors and graduating tints in my attempts at Dennis' 6 Color Color Chart and mixing the blues and greens in my art box with yellow and white so I have a better idea of choosing sky, water and landscape colors.
Hi Liz, thanks for your comment. Yeah, I've managed to create some respectable paintings but, that's in spite of my Bob Ross 'training' and not because of it. The 'training' was a joke and I learned very little. Most of my knowledge came from experimentation and natural ability. Granted, I did learn some aspects from the Bob's TV show but, most of what I do is by my own toil! This is why I sought the need to learn the true genuine art of painting so that I could look at a scene and have some idea of how to translate that onto canvas. The Bob Ross teachings does not instil that at all.
Anyway, I'm very pleased to have found the best teachers I've ever come across in 20 years. I hope to progress and satisfy my longing to become a true artist and perhaps a tutor. Thank Liz .  :)  :painting:
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Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
"You've done some magnificent paintings, thanks to your Bob Ross training!"

My apology, Tony! I meant to say, 'thanks in part to your Bob Ross training!' I do agree with you about experimentation and natural ability and I think motivation and interest can get a person very far, too.  You've got a lot of drive and I know you will be successful in meeting your goals!

Well, have you fooled around with color mixing yet?  It can be challenging, but rewarding as well.  So I wanted you to see my color charts that took a few days to do though the oranges are kinda off. :painting:


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Reply #14 on: October 10, 2011, 11:27:22 PM
Hey Liz, thanks for reply. I've spent a little time with colour mixing but, it was boring and I never actually remembered it. Seeing it used on a painting like the Tulip and the Landscape has helped a great deal. I'm hoping to spend some time this week applying colour mixing theory into further practice. There's a lot to remember when we look at compositions and perspectives and this knocks me off course and back to mud mixing! Certain aspects are now slotting into place though and a methodology thought process is beginning to develop.
I'm off to the Dentist for a molar extraction in 30 mins!  :sweat: Argghhhhhh!
Catch ya later ;)
« Last Edit: October 11, 2011, 12:56:02 AM by Topdoginuk »
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