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Juan Carlos

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on: July 06, 2014, 05:25:00 AM
I found some Van Gogh "soft" pastels in the store, but I read in other forums they are not as soft as they read on the box. Does/Did anybody know or use this brand in the past?

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lynn p.

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Reply #1 on: July 06, 2014, 07:51:23 AM
They might be great but never used them and honestly, never heard of someone using them.  I might be cautious until you get a review.  I bought what I thought was a good deal on Yarka pastels from Russia.  When I got them they were inconsistent in quality, harder than advertised and not very pigmented.  Thinking about throwing them out.  I actually have fallen in love with Mount Visions.  They are HUGE so economical and nearly as great as Unisons.  They are not too soft or too hard.


Juan, I just found out that they are the student brand of Talens.  Their professional brand is Rembrandt ( a nice midway soft brand that is economical).  Student brand doesn't mean bad but usually less pigmented.  These are on the hard side and thus good for the initial layer.  If I were you, I might bump up to the Rembrandts if you can.
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Reply #2 on: July 06, 2014, 11:06:20 AM
It depends on how you want to use the pastel and what your ground is going to be. 

I personally look for brands that have open stock and 1/2 sticks.  I have purchased the hand made Mungyo gallery ones-they are very nice to use and soft, but they don't fall apart. 

I read the review on Wet Canvas-she only purchased a few.  The grittiness may be the actual pigment itself, not necessarily the binder or filler.

I think the only fair assessment would be to have the pastel color from the Rembrandt side of the house and the Van Gogh side and then compare.  They are listed on Dick Blick as a hard pastel-not a bad thing-just the thin before the thick like Dennis teaches.  O0
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May lynn

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Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 02:22:49 PM


I first started out with Rembrandt but, found them too hard.  I've since changes to Sennelier, they are not
too expensive but, are artist quality, not too soft and not too hard, just right.   I never did get a hold of the Mungo (very inexpensive) brand that Dennis was testing out in most of the first lessons, but, they seem to perform quite will in his hands.  I've seen them on e bay for about 20.00 US.

Hope this helps.

May lynn


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Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 02:26:01 PM
Sorry: 
the Mungo is about 20.00 US while a the Sennelier for the same number
of pastel is between 40.00 to 60.00 US.


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Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
There are different Mungyo types MayLynn-gallery hand rolled are the 'artist' label.  The ones Dennis used are very small-almost sample sizes of the next 'artist' level down in the Mungyo brand.
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May lynn

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Reply #6 on: July 06, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Thanks  for the info;

I did not know Mungyo had a artist quality product line.

May lynn   


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Reply #7 on: July 07, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
May Lynn--That is interesting that you are using mostly Sennelier.  I really like them for their bright pigmentation but the ones I have are SO soft that I can't put them with my others as they just crumble.  I save them for final highlights.  I must be heavy handed :)

By the way, I just broke down and bought myself a Heilman travel box and still can't fit all I have now in it.  Too addicted to ebay deals.  Love the box even though I deliberated, given the cost, but I travel an hour to a studio and needed something to carry them in safely.  Hoping one day to use my box for plein air painting.

Did you see the Roche set of pastels on ebay that sold for $5000--WOW, how can any stick be worth $15 each.  Seems like the name is sorta designer and you pay for it.


Juan Carlos

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Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
 :thankyou: for all of your inputs. It seems that given the time and place, the brands differ in hardness and quality and brand. I'm working with a set of soft basic Faber-Castells , a set of hard basic Pebeos and a large set of semi-hards from Mungyo that I found at Amazon at a good price. I will probab'y try the Rembrandts next time, they are expensive though.

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Reply #9 on: July 08, 2014, 05:15:53 AM
I don't think you'll go wrong with the Rembrandts Juan-they have a very good reputation.  O0

Here are the different levels of the gallery family with Mungyo.  The small sets you can buy on the cheap are like the larger square shaped one on the left-I think they are the same as Nupastel in color pay off and hardness.  The middle one is just a bit softer and the hand rolled one is even softer than that.

I bought a spare 64 set of the small ones for plein air work along with a 6 pack of the large square white keeping in mind Dennis lessons of mixing white and black to achieve a wider range of colors.

The hand rolled ones are exactly the same size as the Sennelier pastels-Jerry's sent some of the open stock in Sennelier boxes.  The are very soft and I don't use them much because of that.  Any further purchases of them would only be for highlights.
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Juan Carlos

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Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 09:26:00 AM
 :thankyou:Natalie, you are very kind.  8)
I'll pay a visit at the end of the month to take a look on the rembrandts.

Cheers
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