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Germa

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on: November 10, 2013, 03:35:58 AM
In the October challenge topic, there was agreed one shouldn't crop the photo, although the composition of the light house wasn't really as taught as in the composition's lessons to keep the challenge fair.

Most of the painters did.
The winner is a painting, a very beautiful painting, but the original photo has been cropped.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone would stick to the same rules and wouldn't it be nice if we reward that sticking to the rules while voting?


Alice L Lemke

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Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 06:39:50 PM
To quote a famous and very familiar source: "You are not a slave to the photo." (Dennis)

Everyone kept to the subject and painted it realistically.  The rule was made to keep people from going off subject or going into abstraction, like what happened in an earlier challenge.  As far as I could see, most people only cut out the excess bunch of greenery on the left and created a work of art from what was an ordinary snap-shot.  Our photos were not "cropped" except for Brian who had to for his own sanity.

I think we are all bringing our paintings up by leaps and bounds by doing these challenges.  Let's just have fun now.




« Last Edit: November 10, 2013, 10:55:13 PM by Alice L Lemke »
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Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
Every one of the paintings had slightly different colors for the sky, buildings, trees.
Does that therefore make them wrong?
If you improve the composition without adding or deleting objects in the photograph then Bravo! in my opinion.
If we wanted duplicates we should have sent photographs.
If we want creations we need a brush.
I appreciate your point of view Germa and I'm so glad you felt comfortable enough here with your PB friends to express it.
Regards
Brian
Don't draw more in the morning than you can erase in the afternoon (Old Draughtsman's saying)


Germa

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Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 02:38:40 AM
It's not that I think it was very wrong to crop it, but in this challenge, there is a whole page spent on talking about the lighthouse in the middle of the photo and there was that saying of Dennis too, but there was agreed to paint the photo as is, no cropping, lighthouse in the middle, although everyone agreed it would be nicer to crop the green a bit so the lighthouse could be set at 1/3 of the painting.

If there wasn't that discussion in the October challange, I wouldn't have mentioned it, if I joined the October challenge myself, I wouldn't have mentioned it either.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2013, 03:00:48 AM by Germa »


May lynn

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Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 12:48:53 PM
It's sad that we are taking the monthly challenge so seriously that the opportunity for self expression,
creativity and fun may be lost!!!  I hope the spirit of the monthly challenge as it was first conceived  as a place
for PB members to share, learn from others and grow in their art journey will continue.  :(
May lynn


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Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 02:08:42 PM
well said may lynn  O0
jennylynn


Germa

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Reply #6 on: November 12, 2013, 01:09:29 AM
It's not taking the monthly challenge too seriously, although I do take the growing in art and learn from each other seriously, without the feeling to make a heavy competition about it.

As said, I wouldn't have mentioned it if there weren't rules in the monthly challenge; I don't make them.


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Reply #7 on: November 12, 2013, 04:33:16 AM
For me, it's all about respect .... and following the guidelines (rules) is a part of the challenge.  Don't loose site as to why the guidelines are in place.  It doesn't mean you can't be creative.  I know I haven't been able to participate in the challenges, however, I applaud and support ALL those who do while they are having fun, learning, and respecting the challenge that is presented.  What's wrong with that ??  Val does a fantastic job with the challenges .... it can't be easy !!!
Deborah     :wave:

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Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
That's why is called a challenge   Your challenged to paint, draw to present the picture as close to the photo as possible the rules are their as a guide and we vote on the one who presents the best picture   
Kindest regards
Ray

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Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 03:45:45 PM
Each of us seems to see things differently. No consensus is forthcoming. Is this not an excellent definition of artists?  :2funny: That's what I love about this place.  :hug:

Here's my personal process for the monthly challenges:  :painting:

I make every effort to follow the guidelines/rules outlined for the project even if changing them would make a more attractive picture.  :angel:

I am the "winner" of every challenge because I reached way beyond my abilities, learned something new despite the pain of the effort, had the courage to post my effort, and had fun along the way.   :yippee:

When I vote, I choose the entry that most closely yet creatively follows the guidelines and that "speaks" to me. It may not be the "best" but it is my personal favorite.  :smitten:
Judie

keep knocking and the joy inside will eventually open a window and look out to see who’s there   -rumi


Ray3

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Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 03:55:40 PM
Well put Judie  :twothumbs: :congrats:  Ray
Kindest regards
Ray

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Alice L Lemke

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Reply #11 on: November 12, 2013, 10:07:47 PM
Well, since you were a winner of a challenge before, (and congrats for that) I don't understand what your issue is exactly.  You didn't make a photo-realist painting - there were changes and things that were stylized, simplified, symbolized and exaggerated, and that was in your painting of the beach. They all look great! 

If we are are talking about the photo, are we supposed to copy it exactly?  If so, then for the newest challenge you must make the flowers out-of-focus, the whole wall shaded and the black butterfly painting must be surrounded by all the dead stuff that will complicate and compete with the subject and be careful to exactly copy the colors even if you know you can make it better by placing emphasis in the focal area, or making the background more visually stimulating. I just can't make myself do that - I would bore myself to death.

This is why I waited so long to even try the challenges, because I haven't learned photo-realism, which is what I thought it was about, and it wasn't until I saw that others were creating composed paintings that I went ahead and tried.   

We are not copy machines, we are visual entertainers. 

Good luck on the next challenge!



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Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 11:29:41 PM
Hi Alice,
Below is Vals respone to  changing the composition or  rather cropping the photo and I think that is alll Germa is trying to point out!

Sorry i dont know how to put in the quotes therefore have just copied and pasted vals reposnse below


Brilliant work Lynn.     

As Lynn has submitted her painting based on the photograph, it is only fair to keep the challenge based on the photograph
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 11:33:43 PM by Zayn »
Zayn


Germa

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Reply #13 on: November 13, 2013, 01:51:57 AM
Indeed, that's all I try to say Zayn, if one reads the page where this quote of Val comes from, one knows that this was Val's answer to the question if the photo could be cropped because the lighthouse was in the middle.

That's all.

I really love Alice's painting, I don't go back to al entries when voting, I just watch which painting I like most, keeping the 'rules of the challenge' in mind, since Val doesn't make those rules to bother us.

And I think I didn't attack anyone, I didn't mean to attack the winning painting either, I just wanted to remind us all to those few little rules of the challenges.




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Reply #14 on: November 13, 2013, 02:06:27 AM
I totally hear u Germa! due to some personal emergencies i could not participate in voting.......but I would  have probably  be in a little dilemma,  whether to vote or not .....keeping in mind the rule....as i too absolutely love Alice's  painting!
Zayn


 

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