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on: July 04, 2011, 08:31:31 PM
Perhaps this has already been discussed or created already but, if not, I'd like to throw in the idea.
I've been very lazy when it comes to getting out my paints and starting to practice colour mixing. One of the reasons why is, not really knowing where to start. So, I've been thinking, the most important aspect for me personally is, actually identifying colour. What I mean by this is, if you look at clouds or a white door you'd be forgiven for thinking they are ...white! On closer inspection it can be seen that this isn't the case. The white is generally the highlight only. Isolating a small section of the painting and comparing it against colour chart proves this. You can see lilacs, blues & greys, etc. With practice this becomes an accepted understanding. Trying to recreate the colours is quite something else! With Nolan's 'Colour Buster' this area is made much easier and a pleasure but, this brings me to the idea of creating 'reference photographs' that result in a mixture of colour challenges. What I mean by this is, either a series of photos (beginner, intermediate, advanced) or, just one image to challenge all. In the photo I'd include water, clouds, reflections, shadows, a Rainbow, depth, Ariel perspectives, receding colours, mist/smoke, greys, gold, sliver, copper, black, white, florescent colours, glass, etc, etc. Something that an Artist can use to be satisfied/confident that he or she has practiced re-creating a 'full spectrum of colour'.
Do you know whether such a photographic learning curve has been created? Is there another system with the same goal?
What would you add to the list of images in the 'colour re-creation' reference photograph?  :painting:
What would you call such a photo or series of photos?
Cheers.
Tony

*edit* added mist/smoke to the list     
« Last Edit: July 04, 2011, 09:23:07 PM by Topdoginuk »
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Reply #1 on: July 04, 2011, 08:50:07 PM
hmm, that's an interesting one Tony, I absolutely love the idea as I have been working on a colour mixing mini course on the sideline. This has given me a great angle to approach the practical side of it from. I would love to run with the idea if you don't mind me "stealing" your idea for the project? ;)

I would start with 3 photos. Each would only contain one colour, but have different tonal values as that is the first step to successful colour mixing. Being able to see if one value is darker than another. That exercise would also teach you the basics of mixing the highlights and the shadows.


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Reply #2 on: July 04, 2011, 09:08:29 PM
It would be an honour for you to take the idea Nolan!  :)

Although photographs are two dimension, I think they would suffice for the purpose of acquiring colour mixing knowledge.
I'd like to see individual photographic image reference challenges require the learner to look at the same image in black and white then, in sepia. I think this may encourage thinking about blocking in a underpainting value exercise using a brown colour then, move on to the actual colours.
Something to think about: Each individual photographic image could be a small isolated portion taken from a collection that makes up a large picture. The learner acquires skill of isolated colour mixing study/ability that can then be brought together in one final painting that they can hang proud!  :yippee:


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(Once I get going with my painting, I hope to get to a point where I can open a gallery in England, selling a range of other peoples work. I'd love to get some advice off you in this area as I haven't got a clue where to start! Perhaps a franchise or something?!)   
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Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 02:10:38 AM
Hi Tony
You have touched on an enormous and complex subject that even many professionals battle with. I sincerely doubt one can even get all that in just one photograph and the mind will be taxed, though not impossible, to put all that into one general painting, unless it is made up of composites.

Nevertheless we at the Paint Basket will tackle it piece by piece (As I always say - the only way one eats an elephant - mouthful by mouthful!)

You have given us a great challenge  ;D :whistle:

The big challenge is how to tackle it - do we produce a simplified version or not. The full version could carry on almost forever. It also needs  to be given out a small chunk at a time in order for most to be able to take it all in and understand it and then be able to apply it. It's no use have a lot of info and then not being able to apply it. Another big challenge for the artist is how to take the newfound knowledge and when and where and how to apply it. Oh! the joys of being an artist :yippee:

I've done extensive research into the subject over they years, but as Nolan is already doing an excellent job with color I leave that over to him while I get on with other projects for helping struggling and new artists get on their feet.
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Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 02:34:27 AM
Thank you Dennis.
Yeah, it looks like I have opened a can of worms!  :blush: I just know there's beauty to be had at the end of this Rainbow!
Colour identification and replication seem such fundamental primary prerequisites that it beggars belief that people can produce great works by mixing muds! This is why I've returned as a 'beginner'. To acquire what I consider the very foundations of oil painting Artistry. I've got a perfectionist Artist bursting to get out but, it's been caged up for a while. I don't want to let it run a mock again. I want it to be tamed and have obedience, direction and consistency!  :smart:
I like the analogy of eating Elephants in small chunks!  :clap:
I look forward to seeing if you are able to come up with any form of teaching this highly important concept.
Thank you for your replies.
Tony  :painting:
 
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Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 03:03:46 AM
Tony, I did that very same thing about 20 years back. I had come to a plateau and just could not break out of it. I then went back to basics and with just 3 colors and white started to learn color mixing proper. I've mentioned this on the forum somewhere before but can't seem to find it at the moment.

My quality of paintings took a turn from that moment onwards.

I made a 6-color set of charts for color mixing a few years back. Some time in the near future I think I'll do a quick video showing them and explain how it works. Keep your eyes peeled :heeha:
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Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011, 04:21:32 AM
Tony, I did that very same thing about 20 years back. I had come to a plateau and just could not break out of it. I then went back to basics and with just 3 colors and white started to learn color mixing proper. I've mentioned this on the forum somewhere before but can't seem to find it at the moment.

My quality of paintings took a turn from that moment onwards.

I made a 6-color set of charts for color mixing a few years back. Some time in the near future I think I'll do a quick video showing them and explain how it works. Keep your eyes peeled :heeha:

Wow! Dennis, that's very interesting to hear. I'm obviously in very good company and you understand where I'm coming from. It's gonna be a very interesting journey ahead and one I'm determined to speed up on so I can catch up/get back the time I wasted over the years!  :yippee:
I look forward to the video if 'ya get a chance to make it Dennis.
Thank you
Tony  ;)
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Reply #7 on: July 05, 2011, 08:58:19 PM
Count me in, too, Dennis! :yippee:  I hope to see some sense in my painting, too! :yippee:


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Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 10:23:58 AM
I'm guessing that the live streaming was building on this thread? I missed a few of these colour mixing sessions and hope to catch up soon. I'm about to enter into the world of colour mixing with my Chester Zoo painting and must say, I'm feeling very nervous!  :sweat:
I'd still like to see this thread idea transpire into a course and, If I've missed it, please let me know. (I've only just got round to using the 'bookmarking'!)
Cheers
Tony  :painting:
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Reply #9 on: October 02, 2011, 10:59:51 AM
I thought I'll share this with you all.  :blush: I was painting my rose and I battled with some of the colors and shadow colors. I decided to purchase the colorbuster from Nolan.  Got it printed, laminated, cut and were ready to try it. I had it in my hand and didn't know what next  :2funny: :2funny: Had to watch some of the courses first but the funny thing is, I load my photos on my computer so it is easy for me to see the big picture on my monitor. Usually I would paint in front of the monitor but my sister was with me and I sat on the left side and she sat on the right side with the paint in the middle.  Within 5 minutes we were arguing  :1hug: about the colors I choose to to a certain part. Sister says it should be darker Ella and I said how do you see it darker, put on your glasses  :2funny: It was like one of us was going  :idiot2: :knuppel2: :tickedoff:, when I finally walked over to her side and - lo and behold - the monitor gave a darker picture from her angle than mine  :2funny: :2funny:. That settled our differences and we  :1hug: and had  :coffee:. Let that be a lesson for all working from their computer, don't work on an angle because you will get a different picture  :hug: :hug: Have a great week  :smitten:
IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T PURCHASED A COLOR BUSTER YET, PLEASE DO SO. It made it so much easier. THANKS NOLAN FOR RESPONDING SO QUICKLY  :) :-* :smart:. I thought it would take days before I could use the buster but WITHIN 2 HOURS, I HAD MY COLOR BUSTER. :yippee: :yippee:
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Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 11:49:53 AM
 :yippee: glad you are enjoying your Color Buster Ella, they do work well don't they O0


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Reply #11 on: October 02, 2011, 12:12:11 PM
Wow! Ella, that's some great tip you shared there. I have put my pics on the laptop and was intending to use it. Now I can consider if there may be a colour shift at different angles!
Thanks for sharing  :clap:
Tony  ;)
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Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 12:48:41 AM
Hmmmm yes I discovered this as well when I started my rose painting and I also found it difficult to match the colours on the screen.   The paint didn't look the right tone at all.  Instead of a blue - ish colour it looked a little yellow.  Eish.  :uglystupid2:  I suppose practice makes perfect.  :whistle:
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Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 10:27:26 AM
it sure does.O0

I have found matching off the screen to be the most accurate


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Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 02:22:19 PM
I tried mixing colours by the screen...just made it difficult to read around the blobs!  :2funny:
In all seriousness, I have found quite a variation between computer screens as well. When we used to have two functioning computers, if you put them side by side the difference in the colouration was quite surprising.  :o
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