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I've been reading a book on watercolour painting and, I noticed many references to using different 'liquid acrylic' paints put in a Rapido-Graph pen. I was wondering, is this 'watered down' acrylic paint and, will it clog or separate  if not used same day?
I also noticed the use of a embossing 'pen' (tiny bead of metal on end) to gauge a line on the paper that then allows paint pigment to seep in and give a fine line called 'bruising'. Has anyone done this technique?
Lastly, I'm unclear about these Rapid-Graph pens and whether they are designed to be refilled. I looked up one that seemed very expensive. A Kohl-I-Noor or something, at over £120! Does anyone use one?
I'm still building my knowledge/skill base on this Pen 'n Ink genre of art and, looking forward to getting into more practicals. I'm also using the Derwent 'Ink-Tense' pencils and, awaiting some blocks that I'll update on later.
 

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Tony, the Rapido-graph pens are a high quality pen used in the engineering drawings and also with professional illustrators. I have a set that I used in the Drawing Office many years ago. They are refillable and to stop clogging (on drying) and in the inside of the tip of each pen there is a special wire with a weight on it that, when shaken, will open up the tip for further use.

Liquid Acrylics are specially formulated for ink work. I have used them in my airbrush work.

For bruising I just use the back of the paintbrush which I have shaped to suit.
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 :thankyou:  Dennis for such a fast response and detailed help! Ah! that type of pen sounds very specialised and perfect for what I'm reading. I'd be tempted to get one though 'cos I love high quality gear! And, I'm progressing quite well on an 'Illustrator' type of road behind the scenes!
I've got a whole host of marker pens. My new 'Copic ciao' set, Stadler fine point colour range of pens and, Rotring Tikky Graphic x3 sizes. Non of which are any good for this 'liquid acrylic' need for fine lines, over which to paint in watercolour! So, I'm gonna have to look to solve that one. Not sure how yet though. Perhaps there are some ready made liquid acrylic pens?
That's a great idea for the embossing fx Dennis. I've never done that technique and, many others but, I'm so looking forward to the practicals now that I've finished reading theory.
Thank you again for your kind response and help  O0 :thankyou: ;)
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 :wave: Tony, please tell me how the Inktense pencils and blocks are working for you.

Have you been using it on paper?  I haven't had a chance to toy with them yet, but I tried to a little on watercolour paper.  I think they might work best along with pen and ink. 

I told my instructor at the college about them.  She hadn't heard of them yet so she had me bring them to the next class.  I took along a list of links, videos, etc., I gleaned from the net.  One lady does painting on silk and she plans to give the class a demo on Feb. 25th.  She uses different media, special for silk painting.

Maybe I told you all this before  :confused:   See my excuse for repeating myself on my new topic in the Mixed Bag section.   :2funny:

A range of colours in liquid acrylic would be on MY wish list.

I'd love to learn calligraphy. 

P.S. I think a stylus would work well for bruising as well,
                                                        depends on how wide you want your ditch to be.  :)

Maybe, Dennis could you someday show us some tips and tricks with dip pens and calligraphy?   :smitten:
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Tony, have you seen any of the books written by Claudia Nice? 

I have a couple of them and I love them.
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Claudia Nice is very good.

Lillian, I'll think about that  O0 Here is one I did in 1987
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 :thankyou: Dennis, this is sooooo lovely!!!! 

I'd love to be able to do this!
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I have a full set of Rapido-graph pens that I used "back in the day" when I illustrated for Boeing, before we went to computers.  I know they're around here somewhere!!  Now, I want to find them and do some experimenting with them.  We used bleach to "erase" our work from the mylar, and then lots of water to dilute the bleach before we did more drawing.  I had more clothes ruined from the bleach, usually from someone else spilling it on me!!  One time I had a guy accidently spill his bleach on one end of my drawing!  It took me a week to fix it!! We used to clean the pens, at the end of each day, with an ultrasonic cleaner.  I LOVED those pens, but when we went to computers, that was the last time I used them!! 
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Hey Lillian!   :1hug:
I've spent a little time messing with the 'InkSense Pencils' and, I quite like them. I have the full range of 72 colours  and I've painted a few colour wash trials. I let them dry then, I layered more of the same colour on top and did 5 samples. Each sample received an additional layer. The last samples reached full vibrancy depending on the colour. About 6 layers with the Cherry Red pencil. Because of the nature of paint transparency, the final colour 'lighter' to the pencil head.
I have trialled water stroked over the top of these different layers in order to compare. There's not a huge difference depending on the colour. I used an 'Atomiser' spray but, it tended to spit water, despite it being a 'good quality'! This made edges of colour run/bleed into surrounding areas! I'm going to try a steam iron next!
I've been having problems with my paper buckling when painting. I've tried to dry off the paint quick but, that don't work either! I'm using watercolour paper too. Perhaps I need stronger tape than the low tack one I'm using. Or, one of those blocks of watercolour paper (If the block helps prevent this).
A strange coincidence Lillian! The book I've been reading is by Claudia Nice! It's very good. It just lacks detail on colours used on some subjects.
I'm waiting for the blocks to arrive because I ordered another set of pencils by mistake! (it was late 3.00am when I ordered 'em!). I'm expecting them to arrive Tuesday. I'm wondering if I can use the blocks to create liquid colour to put in a pen or, use on a fountain type pen. Apparently you can use these blocks by scrapping some into a pot and adding water then, spray it on fabric. It's just an idea of course.
I'll update more on these soon.  ;)
« Last Edit: February 11, 2013, 12:55:01 AM by Tony (ASM) »
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Wow! Dennis, that is a wonderful art work! Very beautifully done. Very inspirational. Thanks for posting and sharing with us  O0 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
« Last Edit: February 11, 2013, 12:58:38 AM by Tony (ASM) »
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I have a full set of Rapido-graph pens that I used "back in the day" when I illustrated for Boeing, before we went to computers.  I know they're around here somewhere!!  Now, I want to find them and do some experimenting with them.  We used bleach to "erase" our work from the mylar, and then lots of water to dilute the bleach before we did more drawing.  I had more clothes ruined from the bleach, usually from someone else spilling it on me!!  One time I had a guy accidently spill his bleach on one end of my drawing!  It took me a week to fix it!! We used to clean the pens, at the end of each day, with an ultrasonic cleaner.  I LOVED those pens, but when we went to computers, that was the last time I used them!!



Oh wow! That's great to hear you used these so much and, how much you liked them. It's also interesting to know you are thinking of dusting them off and getting 'em back to work!  O0
Please share whatever you create with them here?!
I'm liking the sound of these pens more and more. There is a set on Amazon that I'm wondering whether to buy. Here they are. Do you reckon they are good quality?:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rotring-Rapidograph-College-Mechanical-S0699530/dp/B000J6FD02/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1
or these 'Isograph' (I'm not sure what the difference is between them):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rotring-Isograph-College-Mechanical-S0699380/dp/B000SHPZQY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=3AEZ8TET21Q5L&coliid=I1XDY6CTGUOZQT

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 :thankyou: for the update, Tony.   :1hug:   I tend to hear your voice when I read your posts.  Your videos have made an impression.  I tend to see your baby face too!   :2funny:

I'll be waiting for the next chapter of your experimentation and some of your fantastic work too please.   
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I see where I can get these pens on Amazon.com, pretty expensive.

I have fine tip pens that are non-refillable.  I suppose I would save money over time with the ones you suggest, well if I use them enough that is.

 :thankyou:   I'm bookmarking this page!
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:thankyou: for the update, Tony.   :1hug:   I tend to hear your voice when I read your posts.  Your videos have made an impression.  I tend to see your baby face too!   :2funny:

I'll be waiting for the next chapter of your experimentation and some of your fantastic work too please.



Lillian! You make me laugh  ;D  It's my Yorkshire accent, like Prof Brain Cox on TV, we both come from the same place! He lives about 20 miles away in Oldham. The Yorkshire air gives us a baby face!  :2funny: 
As for these Rapidograph pens, I'd wait and see what the difference is with the 'Iosgraph' ones and whether the Rapido ones are refillable (I'm not sure if they are cartridges or refilling wells on this picture: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rotring-Rapidograph-College-Mechanical-S0699530/dp/B000J6FD02/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1 )
Yeah, I'll update as I go along ;)


*update*:
The Isograph pens are refillable. The Rapidograph pens use non refillable cartridges.
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I have the Rapidographs which I bought with one of Claudia Nice's as I was doing quite a bit of pen and wash botanical. First I found that the liquid acrylic ink does not work in them. I had to buy Koh-I-nor colored inks. I still have difficulty getting it to start flowing through the finest pens, and I bought the bulb cleaning system and cleaner.  Phhhbbbttt!!!! I think I need lessons.  There are some good YouTube videos by the company on handling the product, but I think I'll just use the inks with nib pens. I went back to just watercolor for now. Good luck!!!!! I'll be watching for your successes and videos!
Dennis, your piece is beautiful.
Sarah


 

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