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Karen

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on: July 10, 2012, 03:38:14 PM
I tried to paint along. I have just proved a couple of the points that Nolan makes. Big paintings are easier than small ones! This is around 5 x 10 inches and so it was very hard to put detail in it. I drew it freehand with a ruler so I could try to catch up with Nolan's colour mixing but I was in a bit much of a hurry - I think it's a bit lopsided. I think a print out will produce a more even result especially with something that needs to be even both sides, still it was fun trying! My background black is a bit too blue because I couldn't find my burnt umber - but i quite like it anyway.


Alan Dixon

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Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 04:43:54 PM
That is very good Karen, especially on a small canvas.
I didn't paint along because I was more interested in finding out what Glazing means. I'm still not sure but I'm sure that I will be more knowledgeable after part2.
I really did learn alot. Frankly I had not heard of underpainting, Gazelle layer or dead layer. I gather it means laying down the undertones of a painting in Grey. I also enjoyed the use of the colour buster grey scale and blending.
I look forward to lesson2.
Alan


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Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 05:44:21 PM
Considering I was working at the speed of blazes to get everything I needed into the time slot, you have done a superb job as usual Karen.

With just a few tweaks and minor adjustments this is going to be a masterpiece.  :clap:


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Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 06:31:36 PM
BTW the procedure is called Grisaille (Old Masters Technique) . Gri is the root word where the English "grey" is derived from.  So the whole procedure is just a series of grey tones ranging from black to white.
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Karen

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Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 07:21:53 PM
Thanks for the comments Alan and Nolan, I will try a proper one at a reasonable size before next lesson.
Dennis I had read of grisaille and guessed at the meaning but it's nice to try a first hand version. I tried one or two paintings beginning with underpainting first but they just seemed to take extra time for no noticeable result.


lynn p.

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Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 04:45:29 AM
   Help :'( After watching the glazing class yesterday, I decided to lay down the dead layer of a portrait painting I wanted to do in this method with fast drying medium so it would be ready to glaze sooner.  Well...I have never used it before and Yes, it dried overnight but with super shiny gloss--not attractive.   :(  At this point, can I just go over the whole painting with linseed oil.  Will that take the gloss down and even out the patchy areas?  By the way, I am using Duo water soluble oils, if that matters and the medium is of course water soluble also.  Thanks guys for any advice.  Lynn


lynn p.

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Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 05:06:01 AM
Sorry--I am new.  This is clearly the wrong spot for this post but don't know where to put it .  Any help would be welcome, or maybe I should post the painting here, although you can't really see all the glare and problem in a picture.   :thankyou:in advance for guidance.


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Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 05:18:05 AM
Lynn, I don't think where you posted the question is the problem.  Most of us on here are new to the glazing technique and have no idea how to answer your question!  :) As you can see you have losts of views, but no answers!  Nolan willl answer it as soon as he reads it. It may take a little time, but he does get to every post.  O0 Hang in there!
Christina


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Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 08:40:08 AM
Can I assume that you used the Duo Quick drying liquid?
This, according to the Holbein site, does enhance a gloss finish.
I would probably use the matt paste.

Unfortunately I don't know how to reverse your problem.
It seems to me that linseed oil (the Duo version?) would even out the gloss over the painting but wouldn't diminish it.
However, I may be wrong.

If it were me, I would try thinning medium (not sure if Holbein do one but W&N do) or maybe just paint over it with diluted matt paste.

 Don't do anything until Nolan has replied, though. He is the oracle.
Ray


lynn p.

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Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012, 09:10:11 AM
Thank both of you for your thoughts.  Yes Ray, your suggestions might work.  I'm sure there is some solution, and the good news is that glazing will take many layers so the hope is that I can slowly correct it.  I'll take your advice though and wait for Nolan's relpy.   :thankyou: :thankyou:Lynn


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Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Karen, even a larger version is not that easy to do without it being lopsided.  I am about 2/3 through a 16 x 20 version, but my husband keeps telling me it is lopsided. Lol.  (the lamp is done, still have to do cup and background) Nolan said he spent 3 1/2 hrs on his.  I think I am closer to 10 just trying to get all those bumps to look straight.  I just had the photo to go by up to now, but I may have a look at the video to see if it helps.


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Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 05:59:46 PM
Don't panic at this stage. When the painting is complete and dry then you can just varnish it to even out the gloss


lynn p.

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Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 09:01:34 PM
Thank you Nolan.  I actually went back over it with gray scale values but little or no medium and it brought it back to matte and evened everything. :clap:  Whew!!  I also realized after watching your tulip painting video that I was adding too much medium to the paint and that was part of the problem. :thankyou:Lynn


lynn p.

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Reply #13 on: July 12, 2012, 09:07:11 PM
Karen- That is amazing that you freehanded it while watching.  So impressed.  Good value change too on the little vase.  I agree, I rather like the blue background.  I tried to paint and listen and missed alot so I'll have to replay I think. :clap: Lynn


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Reply #14 on: July 13, 2012, 03:13:39 AM
Karen, you worked your magic again!   :congrats: You did well as usual.

I missed the class, watched part of the replay yesterday and I'll get back to it.
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