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Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 12:38:48 PM
Awesome boat Val.   O0 O0
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Reply #16 on: March 20, 2012, 11:05:22 AM
Thank you one and all for your comments, I'm afraid I've 'sunk' the Martha Ann.  :'(  Tried darkening the hull and as usual lost the values ... everything ended up the same. The hull ports were still visible but lost the areas where the salt had dried light on the hull, tried lifting out but just didn't work. Ended up with a real mess. So ...... will start again. Going to try starting with a darker pencil and see if it makes any difference. (probably not)  :D
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Reply #17 on: March 20, 2012, 11:56:14 AM
Val - It's quite hard to rub out really dark pencil areas - I have managed to reduce dark patches a lot by using a pencil eraser with a fine point very gently and cleaning the eraser lots as I go. Could you rescue your boat by going mixed media and using paint over the pencil, pencilling again, then using a paint wash to finish as in the pen and ink sketches? I've done this while I was experimenting - with mixed results. Seems a shame to waste all your good work.


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Reply #18 on: March 20, 2012, 12:06:24 PM
Its a great reminder of what NOT to do  ;D  Instead of freehanding, I'll make a trace copy of this one. I was quite happy with the outline and it will save a lot of time. I never see it as a waste as long as I've learned something from it.  O0  Thanks for your suggestions though.....not too sure how this paper would take to water  :eyesclosed:
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Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 12:39:51 AM
I was going to post a comment on this yesterday, sorry Val  :blush:
It looks like you are doing a lovely drawing here and, it reminds me of Pat's drawing in it's skill. I'm intrigued to see how you progress with it. I'll keep popping in to see.
It sounds like you've got some chilling out time right now!!  :2funny: Ok, stay cool and do some vacuuming!  :fight: :knuppel2:
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Reply #20 on: March 21, 2012, 04:36:07 AM
OOOOOHHHHH, Val! :-X It was coming along so beautifully! Well, a practice run for a magnificent drawing to come! :gl2: Can't wait to see it!!
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Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 04:41:55 AM
One of your fine qualities is "stick-to-it-ness.  You take it all in your stride.  It's a giant step toward perfection.  :)

It was looking good, sorry you have to start over!
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Reply #22 on: March 22, 2012, 05:04:54 AM
 ;D  Not to worry, rain is moving in again so might have a go today.  O0
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Reply #23 on: March 22, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
 :clap:  :gl2: with take 2


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Reply #24 on: March 22, 2012, 11:53:52 AM
 :sweat:   O0
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Reply #25 on: March 22, 2012, 12:20:01 PM
you can do it, just take your time and concentrate on the tonal values O0


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Reply #26 on: March 22, 2012, 06:03:04 PM
Val, I am not sure what you mean you lost the values.   Don't feel too bad, you can see my last one I did of the blimp. Worse piece of art I ever did.  Just so you don't feel too alone in your pain :-\
I wish I knew exactly what you mean so I could possibly give you some advice. You and I try to hard :smitten:
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Reply #27 on: March 23, 2012, 07:00:39 AM
Hey Pat... if you look at the original drawing, you can see various tonal values along the hull. This basically shows lighter and darker areas where salt has dried on the hull. They actually looked pretty good. Now the problem comes in when I want to darken the whole picture. I do this by layering and building the darkness (via layering and softer leads). I've done it in practice and it works quite well. Whenever I use it on an actual drawing  everything just seems to blend into one value. No tonal range. Just one of those things I seem to keep doing. I will get it sorted....eventually  ;D 
Of course we could all be old and gray by that time!  :2funny:
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Reply #28 on: March 24, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
Val, I looked at the drawing. I don't really see what the problem is. It really helps to just look carefully and study a photo before you even begin drawing. Look where their is dark edges against light, and vice versa.  Usually all that comes naturally though if you pick a good photo.  If I understand what you're saying....you could possibly just get a realy dark lead and darken the darks you already have even more for that variation of value. A few carefully places super dark spots really add interest.
Take it from someone who knows.. :uglystupid2:
The moment you find yourself mostly satisfied with a painting and think you'll "just quickly" do this or that, that's the moment to stop completely. Take the painting off your easel and put it aside for at least 24 hours, then reassess whether it really needs that tweak.


 

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