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on: February 08, 2012, 12:56:43 AM
Having had the pleasure of viewing peoples art work recently, I have noticed that people draw attention to their 'mistakes' first. We are all guilty of this but, I'd like to share my thoughts and hear other peoples opinion on this subject.
When I look at a painting for the first time, I enjoy it's overall look first then, I consider how well it has been carried out and in what media. I then progress to talking about it if someone else is viewing. Is the subject a familiar area, person, object, etc? Is it a copy? Then I might start considering some artist eye considerations like perspective, colour harmony/compliments etc. (I'm not a art critic so, I have limited knowledge learned here on Paint basket!)
When the Artist points out their 'mistakes', it draws & keeps my attention to that aspect. I can't seem to erase this knowledge/'irritation' therafter. It spoils what could have otherwise gone unnoticed or, didn't matter!
When I get round to creating a painting or, any thing else like a Youtube lesson, I try very hard to resist pointing out my own 'mistakes'. If they are that obvious, someone will be kind enough (or spiteful if they are envious!), to point it out with 'constructive critique'.
Please share your thoughts and experiences.

**edit** Addition:
What I have in mind is, when someone 'shows off' what they consider their finished/complete work of art, rather than one they are specifically requesting critique for.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 05:44:29 AM by Topdoginuk »
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Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 01:30:35 AM
I am so guilty at this. I also tend to point out my mistakes, here on the forum and to my family, however I must say, I never say anything to strangers who see my artwork. I feel the public eye should not be made aware for mostly people with no art knowledge would not ever notice it!

I tend to always look at the colours, what medium it is and them look in deeper and I do tend to spot some problem areas. I know I am no pro, not even close, but I have really learned allot in my short time painting.

I really just have to stop being so hard on myself.  ;)
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Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 02:36:58 AM
Tony, my main reason for pointing out my mistakes or mishaps as the case may be, is to hopefully get information on how to correct or avoid repeating the same mistake. After all, this is how we learn. Other than on the forum I never mention it to anyone outside and leave it to them to digest, because unless the flaws are pointed out most people will never even see or notice them.  O0
 :think: I could always put a notice on mine .... "Tony....don't read the text!>:D
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Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 03:45:35 AM
Hi all

Having only taken up this art stuff in the last couple of months, I intentionally post my stuff hoping I can receive pointers on how to improve it.

At this early stage I don't really have the eye to pick up what a lot of peeps know needs improving.

Constructive criticism is how we humans learn. If we were to continually do the wrong thing over and over and over, and tried approaching galleries and getting knock back after knock back because of mistakes that could be improved with a little of that advice, then the cycle would just continue. Although I don't consider myself anything like Da Vinci, longer term it would be nice to make a little side money from this hobby. And if I don't improve it will never happen. I may as well just pack it all up and spend the money on Lotto entries instead of paints, pencils, canvas and paper etc.

The only thing I'd say is that even if something has glaring mistakes, at least find something good about it.

When you think about it, a painting or drawing that is painted or drawn 'badly' is bettter than a blank canvas or sheet of paper.

That's my thoughts anyway

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Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 05:35:41 AM
Some very interesting thoughts and opinions.  :clap:
What I had in mind was, when someone 'shows off' what they consider their finished/complete work of art rather than one they specifically request critique for. I'm not questioning people specifically seeking feedback for self improvement. I'm just pointing out that it's very tempting to draw attention to 'mistakes'.
Even when I don't seek feedback critique for my 'finished work, I can still fall into that temptation to draw attention to areas I found difficult or, point our my perceived 'mistakes'!
If I specifically request or, are open to feedback critique, I'll try remember to ask. Of course, if we are taking part on a course, we know we are open to feedback critique by default. That's our learning curve for improvement. 
Thank you all for your comments. I look forward to reading more.  O0
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 05:48:53 AM by Topdoginuk »
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Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 06:02:25 AM
Tony, I understand what you are getting at.  (If we, ourselves constantly point out the flaws in our work.) I think part of this problem comes from self-esteem issues! We think., "There has to be SOMETHING wrong with what I do." Maybe it is a "protection mechanism."  If we point it out first, it doesn't hurt our feelings as badly when someone else does it. (not in a sincere critique, but a criticism.) It's almost like saying, "I know I did it wrong so you don't have to tell me! Just tell me what's good about it."  It is okay to  ask for a critique, advice or suggestions. Don't shred your own work before you do it! I believe this is your point!

This is a very hard habit to break for someone(me ??? ). You are right, though.  A lot of the times it is something someone else would not even notice! Hopefully, with experience, this habit will improve for all of us! I am very thankful we don't seem to have any mean spirited people on PB.  Everyone is encouraging and helpful with their critiques! Thank you to everyone on PB!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 06:10:33 AM by C.Bodine »
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Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 06:05:05 AM
I've been thinking. Perhaps I should have posted this thread titled as a question, 'Should We Draw Attention To Our ''Mistakes'' In Finished Works'? 
My original title can be ambiguous for interpretation.
I hope you all understand that I'm trying to give a positive tip here.  :)
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Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 10:38:58 AM
I agree fully with Tony, you must never point out what you consider to be the mistakes in your artworks because you may know it is not quite the way it should be, but more often than not others will never know and accept that it is correct. So if you really think about it, it is then correct.

We are all here to help each other, so if you have posted the painting in one of the encourager sections, you will automatically know that other will point out any mistakes they see and offer advice on how to fix it.

When you don't point out a mistake and somebody else points it out for you, then you know for sure that you need to fix it. So you are actually doing yourself a favour by not pointing out the areas where you feel you have made mistakes.

If on the other hand you have struggled with an area, then by all means say so as then we know you need more assistance to master that technique - that is a completely different story O0


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Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Tony, great topic  O0  Great advice there Nolan! I think we are all guilty of this to an either more or lesser degree.  I think and this is MHO... that we always tend to compare ourselves with others work around us (me guilty as sin).  We need to remember we are taking baby steps... when we have mastered those, we can walk and then run.

The fact remains that not one of us do a brush stroke the same way...therefore not one painting will look the same...even if the exact same colours and picture that was used.  I read somewhere long ago that... an artist's brush strokes are the artist's art fingerprint... just like normal fingerprints...not one person's is the same ...completely unique... and I suppose this helps in the end to develop our own individual style too. 

Therefore we need to embrace our passion for creating artwork... focus on not to be such harsh critics of our own work... to be proud of our creations (no matter how bad we think they are)... every negative has got a positive to equal balance ;) ... maybe we need to focus more on what we did correct, then we will find that the positive here completely outweighs the negative... and when a critique comes along... another opportunity... to become beter.

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Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 03:22:16 PM
Interesting. 
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Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 12:13:10 AM
Tony I understand what you are getting at.   Nolan great advice.    O0


Another area is that we sometimes don't see  :eek:  our own mistakes.   I always ask my daughter, before I finish a painting, if she can see what is wrong with it.   I don't tell her where I think it is wrong.   I trust her critique as she is honest, points out my mistakes and doesn't just say that it is a good painting.   I don't take any critique as an offence.   Most times I look at it through her eyes and make the changes necessary before I sign the painting.   Once singed, that is it, no more mention about what is wrong with the painting.   I also value the comments and critiques from Nolan, Dennis and the members here at PB.  TOGETHER WE CAN LEARN SO MUCH.   :hug:
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Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 12:46:16 AM
ValW, I love that idea of only signing your work once it has been looked at by others in a constructive feedback way! I shall adopt that one from now on. It's a great discipline.  :clap:
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Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 11:10:32 AM
My daughter is my worst critic so when she says the painting is good, then I am happy O0


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Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 02:52:20 PM
Valw I think you have a good idea there too. Personally I like the encouragement of people even noticing my work on Paintbasket. Positive comments are encouraging too but most of all I appreciate it whenI am given specific critical help.
i think in a learning situation it might help other people if you criticize your own work or point out problem areas but i hadn't thought that it might also influence their view of your work too much.
After the painting is finished finally I agree it's not a good time to point out errors. My sister has a lovely painting but she pointed out the dinosaur made by the trees and water shapes in it once and now that is all i see every time I look at it!
When i'm checking my own work after a lesson I often make up a mental checklist of all the main points and tick them off. I notice Nolan and Dennis' comments are often reminders along these lines. My problem is a sieve like memory and how long it takes to run through a replay to find the bits you want. Is there a faster way?


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Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 06:10:04 PM
you can click the timeline on the video and it will just to that spot so you don't have to let it run through if you know where you left off last, etc.


 

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