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Lillian

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on: February 03, 2012, 05:22:52 PM
Nolan, Dennis, Anyone --

Maybe I'm opening up a debate here.  My question is:  "Is Mixed Media" fine art?   :confused   I'm wondering.

Lots of art out there where the artist, usually using acrylic mediums, etc., mount paper, tinfoil, fabric on canvas.  some works very beautiful, abstract, etc.  But is this considered to be "Fine Art"?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 06:39:01 PM by Lillian »
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Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 08:46:46 PM
I am no pro, but I would almost think so. There is allot of detailed work in there and I would some of those projects takes hours to complete. Maybe some people just see it as a craft?
I saw some paintings the other day done with melted wax only, excellent stuff.

Nolan/Dennis, what you think?
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Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 03:49:27 AM
What about this?
(via Artistaday.com: "You have to check out this video of today's featured artist Steven Spazuk. Amazing what he is able to do with a candle.")
docu Spaz


... or this?
DeRubeis Grand Opening Promo_mpeg2video.mpg



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Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 04:29:18 AM
 :thankyou: for responding to my question Maryna.

Vangie,  :cool2: videos!  :thankyou:  I'd say that's "fine art".  The first video, dangerously creative  :2funny:, the second, definitely taking art to a new level and getting lots of attention.

I'd love to hear from more folks.

Dennis and/or Nolan, not that I'd care for you to teach anything far-out, I absolutely love what your doing.  You're teaching us the basics and advancing us forward gradually.  You are my heroes!!!

...just curious as to your opinion.   :)

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Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 07:28:36 AM
I would think that Mixed Media definitely falls into the art category ;)... reason being is that just as oil, acrylic, watercolour, pastels etc...are mediums... so is a Mixture of Media too  :yippee:

I have done some Mixed Media pieces... mainly using them in abstracts, however I have done 2 landscapes using Mixed Media... one is "Lavender Farm" and the other is "Three's Company"... I think these are in my Gallery.

The stuff I have used in my paintings already are: gel medium, texture paste, fine and rough sand (which is mixed with texture paste or gel medium), dried crushed leaves, crushed seashells, beads, silver/multi colour leaf (similar to gold leaf) sheets, cement, hydrostone, pieces of thin rope, semi-prescious stones, pearls, embossing powder, Gladwrap, normal PVA super acrylic paint - lid taken off the tin and leave open for about a week...but must be stirred about 3+ x per day...it thickens and you can apply it with a brush, a stick - dabb it, roll it, slap it on etc... when I do use this, I will always gesso a few layers over that before I start painting. Have use pieces of different textures of material 'glued' onto the canvas or support and then gessoed. Make your own stencils, place them on a canvas and smear texture paste etc, pick stencil up and leave to dry.

I have also used Polyurethane Foam (PU foam or sometimes called filler foam...it is used in the building industry to fill gaps in various places)... Now this one can be quite tricky, but you can manipulate it quite well. I am explaining more about it because some people might not know what I am talking about. Always wear disposable gloves, because this stuff is very sticky. It somes in a can, you shake the can then press the nozzle and the foam will come out...quite fast lol. This foam increases about 40% in size if not more once applied. When it is dry, I normally "brush" it with a  'rough-ish" brush...then paint gel medium over the PU texture...then paint Gesso over that...for a good prepped foundation.

Other stuff I have used as well is Resin (which you can also colour with special resin colouring), foam-a-lite. When you use foam-a-lite, it is best to seal it all round and gesso a few layers too...especially when you use resin over it...the resin will eat the foam-a-lite if it is not sealed properly...

I think the list is pretty endless  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: 


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Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
I've been looking around the internet, searching for various mixed media techniques.

Wow!  Leana, sweet of you to elaborate on what you've done in this realm of art.   :thankyou:  You've given me much food for more thought and I may be asking you your expert opinion on some things.

I'm attending our local community college every Mon. morning for the next 12 weeks. 

The instructor wants us to do a series of work. 

I have a couple of photos I took of chickens/roosters that have those bright colored metalic/irredescent feathers and I thought I'd do them on square canvases.   I have a photo of my daughter's chicks, so I could do a series of three with a chicken theme.

I thought of doing them in mixed media, something fun. 

I've already spent too much time researching and letting my mind go wild with this.   :2funny:

I fear I won't get finished before the course ends.  I don't know what the instructor will say to that.  I must ask her.

I don't want to miss anything that goes on here on Paintbasket.  I've signed up for the watercolor classes and Nolan's first class as well.  Dennis' classes come to me on Sunday afternoons, so I'm happy it works with my schedule. 

I'm hoping I'm not biting off more than I can chew, so to speak.   :)  I'm tempted to take the quicker route and just paint my chickens using acrylics.  There are some lovely metalic etc.  paints that could enhance the feathers. 

Hmmm    :think:

The thought crossed my mind, "Is mixed media "Fine art"?  I thought I'd put the question out there to see what response I'd get.
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Reply #6 on: February 04, 2012, 10:40:31 AM
Vangie thanks for the videos, very interesting.
Leana as always you are a wealth of information O0
Good luck in you classes Lillian, it should be a blast, lucky you  :gl:
Linda


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Reply #7 on: February 04, 2012, 11:13:44 AM
Lillian and Sapphirelyn  :blush: ...glad I could be of assistance. 

I love using all the different mediums on their own... as well as mixed media.  They all have their own qualities and uniqueness. 

Lillian> every single mixed media painting I have done thus far... I have used acrylics as my main paint medium... it is just way more user friendly with all the 'stuff' I have used in my paintings...plus it dries quickly.  I agree on the iridescent colours you mentioned in using for the feathers... Another quick tip here ... My recommendation is not to go and buy iridescent colours (but this is up to you)...mix your own.  Derivan Matisse Acrylics have an Iridescent medium and comes in a jar of 250ml.  You then use your normal acrylic paints and add them to some of the iridescent medium which you have put on your palette... you can then also determine how much iridescence you want in you paint.... and this way (getting the Iridescent Medium)... you can extend your entire palette to iridescence should you wish to do so... and not being limited by the 2-3 odd iridescent colours you bought.  O0

P.S> The Iridescent Medium does not lighten your colours... it just adds iridescence to whatever colour you choose without affecting the tone/hue.
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Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 01:29:09 PM
 :thankyou:  Thanks Leana.  I'll look for the iridescent medium.  I haven't heard of that brand in my area though.  That medium would be great to have!

 :1hug: :1hug: :1hug:

 :thankyou:  for the encouragement, Saphirelyn.  ...a  :1hug: for you too!   :)
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Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 11:47:12 PM
You are welcome Lillian.  Derivan Matisse is an Australian make.  You might be able to find something similar in a brand you already know...worth checking it out.

 :gl: on your course...and have loads of fun... I think you will truly enjoy it  O0
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Reply #10 on: February 05, 2012, 05:10:39 AM
Leana, I believe Liquitex has it and I can get that.   :thankyou: for saving me $$$ !   :1hug:

...lots to do today.  I'll be tuning in to see Dennis with his Color Wheel lesson.   :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

Then, I have to prepare my canvas for Monday morning, tomorrow morning,
 up here on the top side of the world.  :)

I think I'll use Nolan's tip on using the book binding sticky paper as a resist so I can work on the background first.

I've been thinking of applying moulding paste later on to make the chickens stand out.  What do you think?

I've never done anything like this before,  all new territory for me but it should be fun if I can get it right.
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Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 05:36:39 AM
Lillian, are you doing a chicken/rooster?  I'm so excited!!!  :clap: I have always wanted to paint one! Even before I could paint anything.  I just love those iredescent tail feathers.   Can't wait to see it.  I'm sure it will be beautiful! Everything you paint is so well done!

(excited over a chicken painting    ???     ....somehow I feel something is lacking  in my life.. :2funny:  :2funny:  :2funny:  )
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Reply #12 on: February 05, 2012, 05:59:44 AM
Ahhh, C. you're so encouraging.   :1hug:

I'll post my progress.
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Reply #13 on: February 05, 2012, 07:56:59 AM
Hi Lillian.  I agree with C.Bodine.  You've produced really good paintings... and I'm looking forward to seeing more of them.

So have the others... I just look at people's paintings in awe and most of the time I just don't comment at all because other people have already done so...

C.Bodine, I know exactly what you mean. Over the last few years, I have also been literally dreaming a lot about painting 2 colourful roosters in flight, with their wings out like in a cockfight position (but not actually fighting), but could never put them on canvas in an abstract or realistic way.  I recently discovered some of Jean Haines's fantastic watercolours of cockerels http://www.jeanhaines.com/gallery?g=20, which have given me some ideas on how I'll go about it one day when I get a chance, ultimately in oils (so many paintings I'd like to do!!!).  I'm looking forward to watching a couple of her DVDs: "Amazing Ways with Watercolour" and "How to Paint Colour and Light in Watercolour".  She's also got an upcoming book on "Atmospheric Watercolours".  (http://www.jeanhaines.com/).

I also love to paint colourful lorikeets/parrots/rosellas.  Every morning I watch some colourful lorikeets eating some apples from a couple of apple trees in our backyard.  They make me so happy and brighten up my day.  Some years ago, I did a couple of paintings in acrylics ... one was of 9 lorikeets perched on a terracotta pot with water (this was based on a beautiful photograph from I think Lonely Planet, although I changed the background).  I looked at it critically the other day and was horrified (OMG!!! too busy... too detailed... too much of this & that!!! not enough of this & that...).  I was amazed 'though that I could critique my own work based on what I have been learning recently. That's very positive, indeed. I will definitely paint some more of them one day... hopefully better ones!  My natural style seems to be painting in a detailed way, trying to be realistic, but I would really love to learn how to paint loosely. 

I also love painting colourful flowers like bird of paradise and other colourful exotic ones.

 :oops: Sorry, I'm  :offtopic: again... This thread is about Mixed Media...

I do love mixed media, and I think they're a fine art... like the ones that an Australian painter named Jan Neil does... eg http://www.janneilozimages.com.au;
http://www.janneilozimages.com.au/landscapes-2/weathered-land//landscapes-2/weathered-land/...
Years ago, when she was still living in Melbourne, I emailed her asking if she ran workshops, blah blah blah.  She said no, but suggested that I could pop in to her studio and she can show me a few tips.  I was too busy with work that I forgot all about it, until one day she sent an email to people that she was moving to the USA. I've been kicking myself since then for not having taken up her offer!!!

It's now almost 3am here in Melbourne and I'm still wide awake, hence I'm rambling on... I hope I'm awake for Dennis' 6am webinar.


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Reply #14 on: February 05, 2012, 08:23:30 AM
My dear friends on Paintbasket, 
 :thankyou:  for the kind comments about my paintings.  You're building my confidence!   :)

However, I do think you have an inflated image of what I've done.  I'm just learning along with you and trying to apply things I've picked up here on Paintbasket from our two gracious  :smart: :smart: who have a heart for students with a passion for painting.

In fact, I'm applying a great tip as I write.  I just opened my canvases and they had a few dints.  I got them on sale, maybe that's why I got a deal.  Anyway, I wet the back and immediately I could see a difference.  I'm back here on Paintbasket while they dry.

I love the watercolor cockerls and I sure would love to be able to paint in that loose style.  I tend to be realistic in my painting and my chickens will be (hopefully) realistic.   :)

Those lorikeets must be delightful to see. 

I tried to access your last two links, but I got a message "page could not be found".

You must be so  :yawn: tired!  How about setting your alarm and getting a few zzzzz's before Dennis' class starts.

Hope to see you there! 
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