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Reply #30 on: November 30, 2011, 10:53:46 PM
Wisdom at its best good fellow. Nicely played Dennis.   O0  Tony I know you went beyond the point of no return and need support, but I would be :crazy2: to put my neck out, too.  I have a healthy respect for fire.   :whistle:
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Reply #31 on: December 01, 2011, 01:08:28 AM
 :2funny:  :2funny: Not so much a 'flowers & sweet nothings' type ...... more of a lets go strip down a carburater, or hike through the jungle kind of gal.  :heeha:
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Reply #32 on: December 01, 2011, 01:59:45 AM
:2funny:  :2funny: Not so much a 'flowers & sweet nothings' type ...... more of a lets go strip down a carburater, or hike through the jungle kind of gal.  :heeha:
Well Jungle Bunny, get ready to Xmas party like never before! ........
(loading to Youtube as I speak)
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Reply #33 on: December 01, 2011, 04:09:25 AM
Special Xmas delivery for Val!
(Courtesy of very wise advice from Dennis & Kelley! Thanks guys  ;)):

A Special Xmas Delivery For Val!
« Last Edit: December 05, 2011, 02:32:36 AM by Topdoginuk »
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Reply #34 on: December 01, 2011, 07:41:23 AM
 :2funny: Atta boy Tony!   :clap:  Very nice.
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Reply #35 on: December 01, 2011, 08:47:21 AM
 :2funny:
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Reply #36 on: December 01, 2011, 09:39:39 AM
 :2funny:   :2funny:  :2funny:

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Reply #37 on: December 04, 2011, 11:59:24 PM
Thanks Kelley, C.Bodine & Anya ;)
See, I know when to grovel and how to get out of deep water when Sharks are lurking ready to bite again!  :2funny:  :smart:
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Reply #38 on: December 05, 2011, 12:38:12 AM
 :clap: :clap: Excellent . I enjoyed that.  :2funny: :2funny:
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Reply #39 on: December 05, 2011, 06:35:42 AM
 ;D :) :2funny: :yippee:
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Reply #40 on: December 05, 2011, 07:25:27 AM
 :thankyou: Dennis and ValWeb! I loved making the video and getting me off the hook!
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Reply #41 on: December 05, 2011, 11:31:22 AM
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Reply #42 on: December 07, 2011, 05:27:39 PM
Who you calling Jungle Bunny? I haven't been able to play the video as yet, judging from the responses it looks to be intriguing....I'll have to reserve judgement until I see it.
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Reply #43 on: April 02, 2012, 11:15:50 AM
I could kick my own ass!  >:(
I knew I'd posted a link (page 1) to Windsor & Newton showing the 3 recommended primary colours for the Artisan Water Mixable Oil paint. I'd forgotten the 3 'pure' or midway ones so, I emailed 'em for clarification on them. I asked them to name 3 yellows and explain where each of 'em have a 'mass tone/bias' or, 'pure' (all round in between one).
So, I've been expecting clarification for the primary colours and expect 3 for each.
I'm sure there was a way to determine it yourself anyway. I think it was by adding white and dragging the colour out and comparing one yellow to another for example. The undertone shows through. I'm gonna go give this a go tomorrow when I pick up some more paint. I want to test yellow to compare cadmium to be a red bias against Lemon Yellow that's suppose to have a blue/green bias. (Not sure what yellow is 'in between').  :painting:

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Reply #44 on: April 04, 2012, 03:27:14 AM
Update:
I received a reply from Windsor & Newton about the Artisan Water Mixable Oil Colour paints (AWMOC). I wasn't satisfied with it because it was just quoted from their website and didn't answer or address the very important issue of colour bias or, 'mass tone'.
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(The three primary colours are Perm Rose, Lemon Yellow and Phthalo Blue (red shade) in our Artisan range. For a 6 colour system add Cad Yellow Hue, French Ultramarine and Cad Red Hue)

Basically, I asked them to name the (AWMOC) yellow that biases toward red, the yellow that biases toward blue and, a near 'pure one' that sits in between. I asked the same question for the (AWMOC) Reds and the Blues.
This was the reply I got today:
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Colour bias is dependant on the colour next to it, but, if you want to take each colour completely separately then Cadmium yellow, New Gamboge, Cad Yellow Pale, Winsor Yellow,Deep, Indian Yellow veer towards the red side, however, if you put Cad Yellow Pale next to Indian Yellow the cad yellow pale will appear greener. This is why there is no definitive answer to your question as it is all relative. The best way of addressing this is to use a colour wheel. The nearer each colour segment gets to its next pirimary will determine its bias.

I've posted this message reply asking for further clarification:

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate you giving this information.
I understand about the relative aspect of the colours but, if a student asked me what yellow to use to mix a bright clear orange secondary colour, I'd need to be very clear on the advice or, I'm likely to get a bad reputation! In this case, I'd suggest Cad yellow. If they wanted a yellow to make a green, I'd suggest Lemon Yellow. If they wanted one in between, I wouldn't be clear which one to suggest because W&N Artisan site suggests Lemon Yellow for the 3 Primary set-up!
You suggest looking at a colour wheel in determining where a colour is in terms of it's relationship to other colours and, where it sits in relation to the bias required. Good advice but, I wonder if you could let me know if there is a colour wheel chart specific to the Artisan Water Mixable Oil Colours? I've seen this chart but not a wheel:
http://www.winsornewton.com/products/oil-colours/artisan-water-mixable-oil-colour/colour-chart/
I've picked up Permanent Rose & a Phthlo Blue today and I look forward to using them.
Thank you again for your kind help.



I'm hoping to get a reply that clears this ambiguity.
So, what I'm after is, clear info for 3 Yellows, 3 Reds & 3 Blues and their 'mass tone bias' details, so there is no ambiguity in colour selection or, advice to students.   

« Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 07:52:15 AM by Topdoginuk »
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