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John Box

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on: August 19, 2016, 06:07:43 AM
Other than cutting down on the chance of it buckling what are the benefits of painting on 300 LB.CP paper compared to 140 CP paper. Thanks :)


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Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 04:25:31 AM
Hi John.  I love 300 so much more than 140 mainly because it seems to stay wet longer and paint can be lifted with more ease.  After I tried it, I couldn't go back.


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Reply #2 on: September 02, 2016, 11:53:53 PM
You should streach paper that is less than 300gsm.  You can save money if you do streach it. A tablet of 300 gsm Canson is only 4 dollars or so with cupons so it makes little sense to do the lower weight paper.  Once you try the Strathmore Red Windpower series 300gsm you may never be able to use anything else ever again.  :painting:
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Reply #3 on: September 03, 2016, 07:55:12 AM
Thanks, the Bryce.

I have been searching for 300LB paper to no avail.  I have lots of 300gsm (140LB) and love it - especially in block form, except it's limited to 9 x 12 inches.

Now I can see that the 300gsm is what I was looking for all along - and I already love it.

YAY!

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Reply #4 on: September 03, 2016, 11:46:57 AM
There seems to be a bit of confusion over the paper weights. Perhaps this will help...

140# (lb.) = 300GSM (grams per square meter)

300# (lb.) = 640GSM  (grams per square meter)
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Reply #5 on: September 03, 2016, 12:33:33 PM
Thanks, Val.  I thought that might be the case, but was hoping it wasn't.  Now I'll have to continue my search for the 600gsm, at least to try it once to see if I'd like it better.

Appreciate the clarification, Val.

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Reply #6 on: September 04, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
I bought a full sheet of the 300# while up north a year ago. I was planning on painting from a photo that Danielle posted for me. Unfortunately had to leave the paper behind as no room left to pack it properly without causing damage to it.  :'(

Next trip up I'll find a way!
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Reply #7 on: September 04, 2016, 11:20:19 AM
Based on my experience the 300 gsm 140 pound paper is the perfect weight for 90% of one's paintings.  The Arches blocks or the Strathmore Red and brown and even the fabriano are all fine. The hobbylobby and Michaels bargin brand 300gsm is no good for beginners. The blue Canson 140 300gsm is good if you are skilled enough to not need to lift or scrub. The Strathmore Yellow pad has an odd texture and very water resistant sizing.

Any paper under 140 pounds,300gsm needs to be streached. My mother tells me that in art school lower weight paper  is all they used and had to streach it all weekend to have enough for class the next week.

The 300 pound, 600 gsm paper is nearly like cardboard,  Jerrys Artarama has it. To me it is only necessary if you paint large or if you are big in pouring colors or if you paint wet into really wet.  Dennis has a style of painting that allows him to manage the dampness of his paper so we have not had much need for heaver paper than the 140/300gsm.  As I gave said many times before, the Strathmore Red pad, the Windpower series, has paper and sizing that is next to impossible to damage or get too wet. For most of us it is the best we will ever use.
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Reply #8 on: September 04, 2016, 01:36:21 PM
Val,
Unless you plan to paint a big painting, why don't you cut it in 4, put them between strong thin boards... and way you go.  It actually fit in a carry-on.

I use Arches, good paper but also for sentimental reasons.   I buy them sheets, cut them in 4 and use that size to do my lessons with Dennis.

I don't buy pads because, as you know, they are terribly expensive in Canada.  Don't you feel like tearing 😥  when you hear the cost of art supplies... and books... and clothes... and shoes, in the US? 

Now, next visit to the US and I will have to get a sheet of 300lbs.
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Reply #9 on: September 04, 2016, 03:20:30 PM
Thanks, theBryce, I should have you write articles for me for the newsletter!  Great explanation.

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Reply #10 on: September 05, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Val,
Unless you plan to paint a big painting, why don't you cut it in 4, put them between strong thin boards... and way you go.  It actually fit in a carry-on.

I use Arches, good paper but also for sentimental reasons.   I buy them sheets, cut them in 4 and use that size to do my lessons with Dennis.

I don't buy pads because, as you know, they are terribly expensive in Canada.  Don't you feel like tearing 😥  when you hear the cost of art supplies... and books... and clothes... and shoes, in the US? 

Now, next visit to the US and I will have to get a sheet of 300lbs.
yes Annie, i had bought that sheet to do a large painting. Didn't want to cut it down.

Expensive isn't a strong enough word for prices down here! All they need is the mask and the robbery scenario would be complete!  :cost: Of course.....that's assuming you can find it.  :detective:
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Reply #11 on: September 07, 2016, 04:19:50 PM
I recently purchased some Winsor + Newton 260 lb. papers that are no longer manufactured.  I sometimes like to scratch down to revive some of the white, so this thicker paper should give make the scratching safer.    :)


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Reply #12 on: September 07, 2016, 05:15:20 PM
John,

Look forward to seeing what you scratch out!!

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