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Title: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 02, 2016, 03:00:37 PM
Fun class over on OAL today  :goofy:   always a good time trying to keep pace with Dennis!  ;D   Learned I need to work a lot more with my colours and see exactly what colours work well together for creating shadows....learned which ones don't!  :doh:     :2funny:

Here is the end result of some mixes some of which are not so bad once corrected a bit.

Note to Self:     Self....always watch which colour you are sticking your brush in!  ::)

Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 02, 2016, 03:46:17 PM
Agree.  I really enjoy painting along.  Never dared to do that before but this lesson was very contrutive  for that.

[smg id=]

Just fixing your phhoto link!  ;)     
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 02, 2016, 03:51:41 PM
Nice job Annie.  O0   
The humidity was so high here I had to run and get the hairdryer! Put me behind as usual  ;D I'm always scrambling after Dennis!  :2funny:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 02, 2016, 03:57:31 PM
Thank, slowly improving.

Bone dry here... and I still scramble.  Well I have 45 y to atch up with Dennis  :2funny:

Dennis puts much more water on the paper then I do, his looks wet shinny.  Still when I add wet to wet, it always seems to float all over... even if just damps.  I will have to wait that I accidently find the way.  Then with my luck would have no idea what I did well.  But I enjoy the lesson a lot today.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 02, 2016, 04:06:01 PM
When I started, water control didn't exist for me....water everywhere!  :2funny:   Cauliflowers galore!!! So many and so big I could have opened a veggie stand!  :2funny:    :2funny:

Looks like I will have the same battle getting started again, but what the hey.... I have a rainsuit and wellies AND an inflatable lifejacket!  O0     

 :2funny:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 02, 2016, 05:27:58 PM
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Good advices.  Let me hit the hardstore and the outdoor co-op and buy the gear I needed.  O0
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Straynative on June 02, 2016, 09:39:20 PM
Nice one ladies! Keeping up with Dennis isn't easy :)
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 03, 2016, 04:45:18 AM
Annie, what paper are you using? I have found that some papers literally float the water and colour over the surface and others sop it up like a sponge. Perhaps trying another brand would be in order.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 03, 2016, 04:48:46 AM
 ;D   Right you are Trev, at least for me!  I was always in awe of the ones that could stay with Dennis in the live lessons. I figure if I can finish one of the lessons within 4-7 days I'm moving with blistering speed!  :run:         :2funny:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 03, 2016, 10:07:43 AM
Arches CP (not) 140 lbs, and I got a sheet of Arches Rough to do the cloud classes.   It doesn't buckle, so I don't bother stretching it.  I just tape a sheet (actually 1/4 of the big sheet) on a piece of board with green painting tape.

For simple exercises like exterday, colour wheel, etc, I use Canson cold pressed 140 lb.  Cheap.  This also help me relax and just keep going despite errors.

I suspect I don't put enough water in my paint and on the paper. But when I make it glisering like Dennis does, the paint goes all over the place unevently and adding color drops to it simply mixes everything together.  Maybe I used the term bleed yesterfsy when I meant to say it was all turning into a mixe colour.  I suppose this is what you mean by controlling the water.

P.S. 4-7 days for a painting... that's pretty good in my opinion  O0
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 03, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
It is really.... it used to take me weeks!  :faint:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 03, 2016, 08:20:55 PM
Yes, one week is great in my book! 

Do the math,  I join PB 24 months ago (June 6 actually) and I have been painting every week.  Currently doing my 17th oil class and my 5th watercolour class.  Assuming I finish both by June 5th (no fat chances)... it is still less than one painting a month.

But I am proud of my acheivement... never thought I would do, let along finish, the oil rose  :crazy2:

So if you do a WC in 4-7 days, I think you rock!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 04, 2016, 03:51:19 AM
That would be an amazing feat if I could do that consistently. Unfortunately it's a rarity. It used to bother me that it took so long to complete anything. I used to have a painting 'marathon' where I would start a lesson, and go 14+ hours straight, and it would still take me a week or more. Poor Lloyd never got fed those days! Now i  just draw/paint and whatever time it takes, that's what it takes.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 04, 2016, 05:09:47 AM
Perfectly fine to take as long as needed to be satisfied with the result.  This is not a line production.

I have a very busy schedule when I work (which is coming again soon), but I scheduled 2 hours per week of 'me time' which I spend painting... we still get feed, but the dust stay put.  Something has to give until I figure out how to put more than 24h in a day.  Most weeks, I manage but of course our studio is fixe and not floating over water.  I also have a little 'me time' daily at night, if I don't read in bed, I watch the video of the class I am doing.

Forum chat is often when I am stuck in meetings. I think I am an expert at multitasking, not so sure it is healthy.  The only time I do'nt is when I paint and that also makes painting very special to me.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 04, 2016, 05:11:21 AM
Outch!  This is the shadow lesson forum.  Val, we are way off topic... we are going to get in trouble  :knuppel2:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: JayJ on June 04, 2016, 05:25:23 AM
Looks good Val , Annie!I will have to wait for the replay.


Sadly I couldn't watch the class as the sound was lagging and video picture kept stalling😐
Maybe it was traffic on u tube ...on my part of the world..hope it works in next live class!
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 04, 2016, 05:36:50 AM
Sorry to hear that, hope it will work better next time.  Short of a little glinch, the transmission was very good.  Don't give up with live sessions.  Being able to ask real time questions is great.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: dennis on June 04, 2016, 12:31:57 PM
Big brother is watching :police: :2funny:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 04, 2016, 04:32:24 PM
Caught... and guilty as charged.

 :doh: :not_worthy: :not_worthy:

But I really love your lessons Dennis...  :angel:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 04, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
Big brother is watching :police: :2funny:

   :eek:       :eyesclosed:       :stress:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: BeaSue on June 04, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
Re wet on wet, my local teacher told us to wet the paper well, and then wait until the sheen is off the paper, so you can control where the paint goes. I have found that to be helpful advice.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: JayJ on June 04, 2016, 05:58:00 PM
Yes Anne...I love live classes....which keeps me up at unearthly hour from 1 am to 3 am!!Well I try to!!!lol!
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 04, 2016, 07:32:57 PM
Oh, Jay!  You are so commited.   Not many PBers from your time zone.  I can guess where you are... put the flag of your country beside your name unless you think it is not safe.

Bea Sue, I am really struggling with trying to add wet on wet and have those lovely additions Dennis do.  Mine either don't move at all as it is already wet on dry, or it flood the whole wet suface and completely blend it and mixed the colour together. Will try.   Thanks.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: JayJ on June 04, 2016, 10:47:06 PM
 :) No Annie nothing about safety


I live in Dubai...am originally from Tanzania of south Asian origin.Am a sort of global citizen!


I am from  pre Facebook generation ..and don't like too much attention to myself!🙃
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 05, 2016, 04:41:46 AM
I understand.  Thank you,  I find it nice to link a place and a time zone to a person.  Part of that visual picture.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 05, 2016, 04:49:11 AM
 :painting:   I decided to play about a bit with some of that invaluable knowledge from this lesson. I decided that purple and yellow would be fun to try mixed in with a with a bit of wet in wet loose painting.   :eyesclosed:
Ready? Here we go!   :pray:


No drawing on this one... just dropped colour wet in wet for the background, let it dry and started painting around what I hoped would be flower shapes! Took a deep breath and  :pray: no caulies, no caulies, no caulies......    ;D
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 05, 2016, 04:51:28 AM
The amazing bit is....careful mixing of the two actually gave me the shadow colour! I think...does it look right to you?  :confused:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: BeaSue on June 05, 2016, 05:01:53 AM
Hey, Val...this looks great! Sounds like you had yourself some fun practicing your shadow colors.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 05, 2016, 05:13:42 AM
 :thankyou: Susan. Wasn't sure what to do with the middle  :confused: so borrowed the center bit from the Cosmos!  ;D
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 05, 2016, 05:21:43 AM
This is very good, and I noticed, no vege!   :yippee:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: BeaSue on June 05, 2016, 06:27:35 AM
How did you retain the white flower, Val?
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Kathysutterlin on June 05, 2016, 07:27:58 AM
 :heeha: Wow, how fun is that? So you just started dropping color and created your flower after it dried?  :D That is awesome. I love the shadowing. You appear to be cauliflower free too.  :yippee:

I hope this lesson will be posted soon. I'd love to watch it.  I just may have to skip out on work during live lesson time in the future.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: mea hamo pena on June 05, 2016, 08:08:40 AM
Val,

This is fabulous.  The intensity of color is amazing.

I had wanted to immediately get started on applying the techniques from the AOL lessons but had too many things get in the way.  I will redo the lesson as soon as the replay goes up.

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on June 05, 2016, 09:18:43 AM
Nice flower, Val. I like the freeform (loose?) style you used.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Happychappy on June 05, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Wow Val, that flower turned out great. Looking at it, it almost looks like it is 3-D.  So interesting, I love hearing about the experimentations with colour.   Patricia
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: JayJ on June 05, 2016, 01:55:28 PM
Yes Annie.. U r right.I guess when I signed..wasn't that "forum savvy"'.....wasn't sure if I should put my nationality or location... And I guess it never occurred to me to rectify later😊
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: JayJ on June 05, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Beautiful Val!
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: musika on June 05, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
Yes Annie.. U r right.I guess when I signed..wasn't that "forum savvy"'.....wasn't sure if I should put my nationality or location... And I guess it never occurred to me to rectify later😊

All we need now is a photo!

P.S. Did you get the laptop?
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: JayJ on June 06, 2016, 01:36:41 AM
Photo..omg ....not happening Ray!i hate my photos!


As per your advise she settled for Envy.
She also went for "Three"and soon be getting broadband... guess that will ease her issues.
Thank you so much Ray , for your expert advise as always!
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Annie. on June 06, 2016, 04:56:04 AM
You can put a photo of one of your painting like I did, or a scenery, your pet, anything that we recognize as associated with you, or leave it blank as it is.  Up to you, just don't let tech hold you back.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: JayJ on June 06, 2016, 05:06:37 AM
 O0 Annie!
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on June 06, 2016, 06:32:22 AM
 :( Since I was up earlier this morning, I typed a detailed explanation for you Susan and Kathy.....and it suddenly disappeared!  :confused:      :eek:   I'll try again a bit later...  weather is playing havoc with the wifi lately.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on April 27, 2017, 05:52:25 AM
 :oops:    Here it is about a year later and it seems I forgot to get back and answer your questions Susan & Kathy! I found a 'note to self' tucked in the back of my old w/c book.   :doh: Will have to leave notes telling me where to find reminder notes.  :blush:    :2funny:


Yes Kathy, I wet the whole area of the paper. The first washes are quite thin and dropped in after the paper has had a minute or two to soak in some of the water. I dropped in the yellow first and then the purple and just let it do its thing. I did try to make certain I kept the central part light as that was going to be where I painted around my flower. Once that was dry, I imagined petal shapes and started painting around the petal shape with a stronger purple. Then I added some of the light purple wash with a tiny touch of the yellow wash on some of the petals to (hopefully) give a light shade colour. I added a bit more yellow to the edges where I wanted a darker shadow.

So, in reality Susan there wasn't any actual white left on the flower. Just the merest hint of the yellow from the initial wash. No white preserved. I learned that trick from Dennis when once long ago I wondered how he made a white boat look so white! He's such a clever soul!  ;)
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: mea hamo pena on April 27, 2017, 07:44:59 AM
Val,

WOW! Definitely worth the wait.  It's beautiful and thanks for sharing the technique.

I will try to do one similar - hope it won't take a year to get it posted.

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on April 27, 2017, 07:52:00 AM
I will try to do one similar - hope it won't take a year to get it posted.

Your welcome Mea, I hope you don't take a year to update a post either!  :2funny:

Since the w/c class has been postponed for a few days.....
I'm going to have a go at trying this same technique....but with a flower that has multiple layers of petals!  :D

Let the games begin!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: linley.plester on April 27, 2017, 09:43:47 PM
Another note for you Val.... Dunking your brush in your milky coffee doesn't paint accurate shadows either. I now have a lidded sip cup for when I'm painting.  I missed seeing this class, so I'll have to look it up.  I'm still struggling to get back to Dennis's still life pomegranate paint-along, and to finish my pop art lesson from January. Perhaps I should spend less time watching videos of painting and reading about painting. The days are getting short here and I don't really like painting in artificial light. Oops - off subject AGAIN. However reading everyone's comments and seeing your results keeps me encouraged and at it in daylight so thanks to everyone who writes in. I am still having trouble posting my paintings and drawings in the Gallery. Once in a while it lets me put one up. I've emailed Nolan, but I'm not sure if that was the correct way to contact the administrator....Can't put any more reference photos either.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on April 28, 2017, 05:09:39 AM
Are you working from a laptop, tablet, or phone? What browser are you using?
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: linley.plester on April 28, 2017, 05:27:32 AM
Val....Toshiba laptop, also Samsung tablet,, Windows10. I have a feeling the problem might be related to the much maligned Windows10 Photos gallery. so even the mighty Nolan/Administrator might not be able to help. It's frustrating. :tickedoff: Not only do I spend hours attempting to find solutions, but I can't upload into the Encourager Forums to ask for advice.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: linley.plester on April 28, 2017, 05:34:56 AM
I usually use Microsoft Edge. A :thankyou: :thankyou:s an aside - I lived on a yachts for nearly 20 years, so I can understand your difficulties. I'm a landlubber these days, but still have grotty yachtie connections.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: mea hamo pena on April 28, 2017, 08:10:37 AM
Linley,

Could it be the size of your photo that is causing the problem?

Since you have Windows 10, open up PAINT.  Have your photo open in PAINT and resize it. 

Here's an example.  If I take a photo on my Iphone and send it to my email, it could be as 2.2MB (unless I use the option on Iphone to make it smaller).  If the photo is 2.2MB, then I resize it in PAINT by about 50%, then save it and use it in the PB gallery.

Not sure if that will help, but I felt good being able to share something.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: linley.plester on April 28, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
Thankyou Mea, thankyou, thankyou! I really wanted to put that particular picture up. I had to reduce it to 40% before the gallery would accept it.  I didn't know how to use Paint either, so you've really taught me heaps.  I will now photograph some of my wips (works in progress) and submit them to the forum for advice.
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: mea hamo pena on April 28, 2017, 05:46:02 PM
Oh, Linley, I am so happy that my suggestion solved your problem.  I really am not very computer savvy.  I just know enough to do the things I need to do.

Looking forward to your photos.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mixing Shadow Colours OAL Live
Post by: Val on April 29, 2017, 05:34:50 AM
 :yippee: Looks like you have the issue solved! Way to go Mea!!!  :clap:

Linley, we are in our 11th year on PJ, and 19yrs. on our previous boat. Wow, how time flies by. What boat did you have and where did you sail?

Might be a good idea to post your response in the about me section under 'PJ's adventures'. Sorry guys... I know it's off topic but you know how I get about sillyboats!  :boat:    :whistle:    :2funny: