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Title: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 22, 2016, 10:50:19 AM
Lynn I just went for a live model class and I truly enjoyed it.    I have a few pics to show but not sure I can post them. One is from the back and 2 are from the front male no parts showing from the positions. 
 :thankyou: to you Lynn and my son for  pushing me.


 :help:  Nolan do you think I can post it.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 23, 2016, 07:09:35 PM
There are some drawings I managed to do at the live model drawing workshop on Tuesday morning it was from 9 am to 1:00 pm.  My 4 and 5 minutes drawing were not to good but It helped me to warm up to get a bit better. 
Still a long way to go but it was enjoyable ,I will be going again next week. Thank you for the push Lynn.   
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Val on March 24, 2016, 04:51:20 AM
 :heeha: So glad you posted these Danielle. The second (posterior view) photo is really quite good.  O0 You have the shadings well placed.

Funny how we will fall back into a mindset from years gone by....I'll have to remember to keep my medical jargon under control! Better have a dictionary close at hand ... just in case!  ;D
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: BeaSue on March 24, 2016, 06:21:18 AM
Well done, Danielle!
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 24, 2016, 06:59:14 AM
Good work, Danielle.  You do great thigh muscles.

I have been invited to a live model drawing session on Friday.  Kind of nervous about going.

Will let you know how it turns out.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 24, 2016, 07:39:55 AM
 :thankyou: Val, Sue and Mea for your comments.   
You will love it Mea,   2 years ago I went to one and I was very uncomfortable.  But now i am ok with it. This time we were about 30 to 35  of all ages and it was well done  lots of space to vew. 
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on March 24, 2016, 01:10:45 PM
Danielle--I am SO glad you went.  It IS fun and these are great, especially for the first time.  I still can't get much down for the 2 min. gestures.  I try just to get the "line of action" down and some negative spaces--that's about it.  I started going to the longer pose sessions.  The 20 min. ones are very good and I agree, the last is my favorite.  I am impressed that you got the hands.  I usually fade them away or just draw triangles :D . Proportions look really good and very believable.  One little suggestion, try drawing in the value of the background also, I think it helps with popping the figure and deciding on the values in the figure. 


Mea, I hope you go.  I think half of the battle is just getting over that intimidating part of being there!
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 24, 2016, 03:34:35 PM
  :thankyou: Lynn, I will t ry to add the negative space next time I go.  At that place they have 10 - 2 min poses, 5 -5 min poses, a few 10
min poses, 3- 20 min poses and finally a 1 hr pose.  My last drawing was about 40 min, I was tired so I did not stay for the full hr.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on March 24, 2016, 07:11:48 PM
Danielle, that's a nice mixture.  You could probably just go late if you wanted the 20s and the hour pose.  I get tired at the 3 hour studios also, they are from 6-9PM on a work night.  I know the warm up short poses are really good to practice but I do find them frustrating. Everyone tells me that they really help the long poses eventually.  I struggle with an approach to them.   By the way, you did very well with the male physique.  I find the angularity harder for some reason. You captured the musculature very well.   I can't show the drawings I do as most are too revealing.  Glad you could show these!!!
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 24, 2016, 10:03:35 PM
My friend is taking me to the live-model session tomorrow morning (probably today where you are).  It's from 9:30 to 12:30.  Only $5.00.  It's at the local community college.

I'm nervous - have no idea what to expect.

Gotta try!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 25, 2016, 04:45:54 AM
Mea Just enjoy it and do not compare yourr drawing to others, the probably have been there for a long time.  Just enjoy and have fun. 

Lynn I agree it is long but i also like the warm up exercise, they were not to good and i did not show them as they were also more reveling.  My son tells me to be very loose, when he draws a quick model he uses a lots of circular motion and long lines.  I still strugle with that, that is wky the short poses might help to loosen up.
Maybe we could send each other by email our sketch.  What do you think.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on March 25, 2016, 12:12:59 PM
There are so many approaches to the short sketches.  Some people do use circular marks and just loosely fill in the figure.  My life drawing teacher warns us not to try and just draw from feeling but to use the short poses to quickly get some accurate proportions.  For example she says to mark the top and bottom of the figure, draw a line from the highest to lowest point, then draw an action line or gesture line that simply represents the action (for example it might be a C curve if someone is sitting), then quickly find the middle of the figure with your sighting stick, the position or direction of joints (elbows, knees , shoulders etc), draw negative spaces (for example space between the legs rather than drawing the legs  or space in-between the arm and body etc.  She doesn't like to start drawing the head first but suggests drawing the biggest body masses first, such as the torso.  She tells us not to worry how much we get done but to definitely have a strategy rather than drawing by feel.  I know many others take a different approach.  I think she suggests this as these skill carry over very well to long pose drawing.  She always works large to small. Your son is right about the loose thing though.  It has taken me some months to automatically hold my pencil at the bottom and use bigger paper with very light and more sweeping lines.  Now it seems weird to hold it like I am writing.  However, I stand at an easel.  If you are drawing sitting down it is so much harder to be loose.  Happy to exchange sketches by email.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 25, 2016, 03:20:39 PM
 :thankyou: Lynn for all that info.  I will send you my email.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 25, 2016, 06:33:15 PM
Gee, Lynn, wish I had seen this message before I left the house this morning, but it'll be a big help next week.

The live-model session was great.  Mostly senior citizens even though it was held on a college campus.  $5.00 for three hours.  Everyone was very friendly and helpful. 

My first two-minute poses were really bad, but this 20-minute one was pretty good.


I dressed him for the Forum.  Still squeamish about posting nudes, even for the sake of art.

Thanks, Lynn and Danielle for urging me to do this.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on March 26, 2016, 05:24:48 AM
Mea--So glad you went and YOU FELT COMFORTABLE!  Sounds like a great opportunity and very reasonably priced.  Yes, the short poses for me are a mess but the 20s are doable.  I really like what you did and I think it is really great for your first time. The proportions look good and you got some good values in there.    Good you positioned yourself at his back so you can post on PB :) :)  After you were there a while did you just start thinking about abstract shapes and values rather than drawing a person?  Weird how that happens I think.  Hope you will go back.  I have found that after drawing from life for a while, I don't enjoy drawing from photos as much but obviously necessary.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 26, 2016, 07:08:45 AM
Lynn,

Thanks for the encouragement. 

I am going to print out the suggestions you give/have given and read them each time before I go into the session.  I will be practicing in the meantime.

The room is quite large and the model is on a raised platform in the center. We are in a circle around him.  He shifts his position each pose by a quarter turn so that we get a different view. 

Most of the folks have been going to this session for years, so have built friendships.  Next week, I have been invited to join in the after-session lunch bunch.

Looking forward to making this a weekly ritual. 

aloha

mea
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: jillh on March 26, 2016, 12:55:52 PM
Mea please forgive me. But I'm having such a giggle!  I can see you practicing now!  Your  husband sit on the dining room table and you can practice till the cows come home.😂😂😂
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 26, 2016, 01:05:27 PM
Mea this is excellent for your first time.   Hope you keep on going,  have a great lunch with your new friends.  Lynn has some good suggestion for us. Now we have to implement them. 
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 26, 2016, 03:22:44 PM
Yes, Danielle, I intend to continue as long as we don't have to take turns being the model! 

I am so appreciative of Lynn for sharing those suggestions with us.

aloha

mea

Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 26, 2016, 06:24:26 PM
Funny Mea    ;D  So Mea you are not going to be the next model.....
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on March 28, 2016, 06:27:32 AM
Hi Mea and Danielle.  Thought you might enjoy this video of my teacher sketching a model (probably about 20 min.-she is fast!)
Go to youtube and type in Blue easel club life drawing workshop (for some reason when I copy the address it doesn't work but this does)


Notice several things.  She has a vertical line next to the head, on either side of the figure and from the buttocks down.  You can't see her original first lines which would have been the length of the figure and the gesture line.  The horizontal line is the midpoint.  She uses these to judge placement.  She tones her paper (charcoal paper) with vine charcoal, rubbing it in with a paper towel so that later she can lift out with her kneaded eraser and draw lights with the eraser (fast approach).  She then finishes details with a 6B charcoal pencil.  Vine charcoal, seen here in a holder is very forgiving and you can wipe out a stray mark with your finger.  Once sure of a line you can reinforce with the pencil.  Thought you might like to see.  She is a master and so none of us can do this!!!!
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 28, 2016, 11:44:54 AM
 :thankyou:  for  sharing Lynn, this was a fast video.  I might prepare one of my papers with graphite to do the negative drawing for tomorrows class.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 28, 2016, 01:20:19 PM
Thanks for this video reference, Lynn.  I will study it as soon as I get my tax returns done.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on March 28, 2016, 07:45:25 PM
Danielle, I never use graphite.  Can you lift out graphite easily with an eraser?


Mea, my sympathy is with you.  I hate this time of year.  Just did mine a few days ago and got unexpected good news but I hate the stress of preparing everything :P
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on March 30, 2016, 03:53:16 PM
Lynn, yes you can remove graphite with an eraser.  I use statler white eraser and also one that is gray and is like putty.  you can stretch it and form a little point or make it into a ball and roll it on your drawing to remove graphite.  It also removes charcoal pencil marks not fully but good for sketching.  you can look at the free pencil class Nolan gives (scrole down almost to the bottom) it is called Getting started with pencil drawing.


I thought you took pencil drawing classes with Nolan but I

 just look at your painting album, my, my  you are quite the artiste your portraits are awsome.

Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on April 01, 2016, 06:58:21 PM
Thanks Danielle :)   I didn't communicate very clearly.  I did take Nolan's class and I do have both of those erasers and use the putty eraser to draw in highlights with my charcoal portraits.  I guess I was saying that I didn't know if one could quickly and thoroughly erase graphite in a very short pose.  Obviously the answer is yes.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on April 01, 2016, 07:05:17 PM
No problem Lynn.  The point of short poses is not to use erasers though , it is better to do a lot of scribles and not try to be perfect, just get the eye and hand coordination.    ;)
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on April 01, 2016, 09:55:03 PM
Ladies,

I practiced drawing a male pose from behind today and let me tell you, a kneaded erase makes great buns!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on April 02, 2016, 03:37:51 AM
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Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on April 02, 2016, 04:05:14 AM
Mea, Mea you are to :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Val on April 06, 2016, 02:20:10 PM
 :doh:    :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: nolan on April 07, 2016, 02:10:23 AM
 :-X :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on May 17, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
Here are some sketches from my live model class,
45 min portrait, tried to use blue, green, yellow, orange colours.
5, 10, And 2 20 min poses .   I have put a little sticker to one of them to hide mal part
.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: mea hamo pena on May 17, 2016, 10:48:51 AM
Great job on these, Danielle.

I have been so busy - gotta try to go to the live model class again.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on May 18, 2016, 03:37:42 AM
Danielle--You have a very good eye.  These have good proportion for such short drawings.  The portrait is very believable and I like your color mixes.  Hope you keep going.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on May 18, 2016, 03:38:55 AM
by the way, I found a great book you might like:  Drawing Atelier, the figure by Jon deMartin
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on May 18, 2016, 05:28:08 AM
Thank you Mea .
Thank you Lynn, you are so encouraging. yes I like going to the live class, I think it is my 7 th time I have gone.  It will end by 21 june and start again in Sept.  But there are night sessions that should be on in the summer.  You yourself are doing so great with your figure art, you have bloomed in this short time.
I did look at this artist a while back, he is great. Did you purchase that book?
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on May 18, 2016, 03:10:33 PM
Yes I did Danielle and find the figure drawing tips good.  I am trying to get into the figure drawing class here but there are no openings.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on May 18, 2016, 04:21:16 PM
I will think about it.   Hope you can go to the class in the fall at least.
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: lynn p. on June 27, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
Hi Danielle.  Have you done anymore life drawing sessions??
Title: Re: live model drawing
Post by: Danielle123 on June 29, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
yes I have and my last morning session one was last week, but there are others like tonight so I might go tonight so I don't loose the eye hand coordination. 

You are doing so so great, your portraits are awesome. I am not there yet, but I am working on it.