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Title: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: dennis on February 05, 2016, 05:04:39 PM
In order for me to easily find and answer queries about this Lesson I will appreciate it if everyone will keep these  to this specific Lesson Posting only. This will also be of benefit to you as well in the future.  Thanks

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Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: JayJ on February 05, 2016, 06:57:19 PM
That's so interesting...look forward to this class Dennis!
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on February 23, 2016, 09:42:45 PM
Dennis or Nolan, would it be ok to just grab these templates and try it in watercolor? If not, I'm happy to purchase the class 😊
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Val on February 25, 2016, 04:28:56 AM
Denise, you can take any lesson/template and try it in any of the mediums. This is another thing that makes PB special, there are more subjects to draw/paint than you can shake a stick at!  :heeha:

Have fun!!!  :yippee:     :painting: :painting: :painting:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on February 25, 2016, 08:46:23 AM
Wow, that's great Val! Thank you for replying.
PB is so generous   :thankyou:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 11, 2016, 09:13:00 AM
 :thankyou:  Dennis for a lovely lesson. Unfortunately I never had black pastel paper available and had to use what I had on hand.  Doing this, I encountered a few problems which I tried to overcome as best I could.  Comments and critiques are always most welcomed.   Thank you,  Patricia








This is the altered version of the changes I made.  I think I could have chosen a better colour for the table cloth. I took the photo while it was still dark this morning so the colours are still not as brilliant as they are in real life.






My apologies but I took the second photo when it was still dark as I had to go out early and didn't want to wait to put it back on. However, the underneath picture was taken this afternoon in much more light and which shows the colours more vibrant and not so "washed out" as in the previous photo. Hope this helps and once again, my apologies.  Patricia


Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: dennis on March 11, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
Patricia, technically you have done a wonderful job here :clap: :clap: :clap:

The two large pomegranates are too pale; they should much more red in them. I suspect you looked at the photo instead of the demo painting. In the actual photograph they were old and shriveled up and bleached by the sun. When I took the photograph the still life was on a pedestal out in the owner's garden. I had to liven them up a bit
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 11, 2016, 09:56:05 AM
 :thankyou:  Dennis for your critique. I looked at both the photo and demo painting, stopped/starting the video a million times but I painted it in the night and colours are not as vivid as in the day time. However, it is an easy fix. Having said that, the black paper makes for a much more vibrant and eye catching painting for sure. Nevertheless, it was still an interesting and most enjoyable lesson. Thank you Dennis.


Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Tousabella on March 11, 2016, 08:23:31 PM
Pat you've done an excellent job. Looks great! I like it on the light paper...gives it more perspective. A very interesting class.
Good job, young lady.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 12, 2016, 06:19:09 AM
Well, isn't this such synchronicity for you have been on my mind for days now Retta. In fact, I was thinking of PMing you because I hadn't seen any posts from you in a while and was wondering whether you were O.K. and over your pneumonia. I am so thankful to hear from you and  :thankyou:  for your lovely post which is all the better hearing from you.  Bless you. I especially loved the "young lady" part ... I don't know if 72 years old is considered young but I will take it for sure.  Have just come out of hospital where they kept me over night for a suspected heart attack. I have to see an Internist later on this week who will take a look at my heart.


Thank you once again for your lovely message.    Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 12, 2016, 07:35:06 AM
  Have just come out of hospital where they kept me over night for a suspected heart attack. I have to see an Internist later on this week who will take a look at my heart

Yikes Patricia. I'm sorry to hear of your stay at the hospital. Must take care of that lovely heart.  :smitten: It's beauty shows in your kind and thoughtful posts.  I hope you get into the internist quickly and that all goes well.

Your pomegranate painting is really nice. I,too, like the contrast with the light paper. I look forward to the day I venture into color.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 12, 2016, 09:57:18 AM
Patricia,

Just saw this topic and realized I had missed seeing your pomegranate painting.  Agree it needs a punch-up in the color.  Otherwise, well done.

Sorry to hear of your health issue.  Hope it clears itself up with no major complications.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: dennis on March 12, 2016, 10:04:00 AM
Take care of yourself, Patricia, Keep you in our  :pray: . I once had very acute angina and was under specialist supervision.
Then during a Sunday Service the Lord dramatically healed me in an instant. Where at work I had to pull myself up the stairs, 8 week later I was actually climbing mountains. That was over 30 years ago. I passed all heart tests with flying colours for my emigration to New Zealand.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 12, 2016, 01:14:05 PM
 :thankyou:  Kathy, Mea and Dennis for your wishes and lovely thoughts and thank you Dennis for remembering me in your prayer time.  Dennis, I thrive on hearing about such wonderful healing. Amazing what transformation can take place with faith and belief.  I am feeling fine and have to take a low dose Aspirin daily to thin my blood and just have to wait to see what the Internist finds later on this week.

Dennis, I put a lot more red into the pomegranates and it really does look so much better, much more vibrant. You are an excellent teacher. We are so blessed and thank you.  Patricia[/size][size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on March 12, 2016, 02:09:23 PM
Beautiful Poms as I mentioned before Patricia! I just started this in watercolor, we'll see what happens.....
I am keeping you in my prayers for sure. What an encouraging story Dennis has provided! Take care Patricia :)
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 13, 2016, 04:46:33 AM
 :thankyou:  Denise for your lovely comments and prayers. Yes, we serve an awesome God. You will enjoy doing the poms but I think that the black paper really makes them pop and the bowl more eye catching.  Looking forward to seeing your painting.


Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Val on March 13, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
 :( So sorry to hear of your troubles Patricia. Holding thumbs the news from the internist is good, holding you close in my thoughts and meditations. I've always room for one more.   :1hug:

 :doh:   Oh yes...pomegranates! This is lovely but is there any chance of seeing it with the colour boost? I would be interested in seeing how the boosted colour on the light background compares with the dark. Just curious...  ::)   
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 13, 2016, 04:11:59 PM
 :thankyou:  so much Val for your lovely message and remembering me in your meditations. Oh! dear, you have so much on your plate with your own family. Bless you for having such a caring heart.


Yes, Val, I can certainly take another photo of the changes in colour, which do make a difference for sure and I will post it in the morning as it is dark here now. However, I still feel that black paper really makes the painting pop whereas the lighter background seems too "washed out".  Anyway, you can be the judge.


Patricia 
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: jillh on March 13, 2016, 05:00:09 PM
Patricia, I'm sorry to hear that you have been under the weather.  Thinking of you and praying that the doctors have good news for you.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 14, 2016, 05:13:39 AM
 :thankyou:  So much Jill.  I really appreciate your kind message and prayers.  Yes, it was a bit of a shock but I guess getting up in age has its problems, it is how we handle them that counts. Am just praying that I don't need surgery for I will be 72 in two weeks time.  Anyway, will keep you all posted once I have been seen by the Internist.  Thanks once again for your concern.


Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: BeaSue on March 14, 2016, 08:51:10 AM
Love seeing your take on this lesson, Patricia. And I will keep you in my prayers, that whatever is happening with your heart will soon resolve.
Title: Pomegranates in watercolour
Post by: Denise808 on March 14, 2016, 08:52:41 AM


Revised
Highlights and shadows still pretty wonky in the revised but at least I know to pay more attention to the light source from the beginning. Thank you so much everyone!

I used the template from the pastel class and tried it in wc.
Funny how painting poms is so similar to painting petals. Please add your suggestions for improvement, thank you!
Title: Re: Pomegranates in watercolour
Post by: liz on March 14, 2016, 09:06:54 AM
 :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: Beautiful work, Denise, done with deft hands as usual! You are so patient in working your paints to the very details and background, too!
-Liz
Title: Re: Pomegranates in watercolour
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 14, 2016, 10:03:59 AM
Denise,

So much to like with this one.  Love the background.  The bowl looks fabulous - love the way you created the raised design.  That wood-grain strip along the edge of the table looks terrific.

Not sure what color pomegranates are, but these seem too pale to attract attention as the focal point.

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Pomegranates in watercolour
Post by: Denise808 on March 14, 2016, 10:19:04 AM
Thank you so much Liz, I really appreciate it. Funny you should mention patience - I still don't like working too long on any one piece, but I have definitely been able to not rush as much as before, so  :thankyou: .

Mea, thank you too! I wonder if just adding more layers on the poms would intensify the color and make it better? I'll wait a while and see if anyone has suggestions...
Title: Re: Pomegranates in watercolour
Post by: Danielle123 on March 14, 2016, 10:36:10 AM
Beautifully done Denise I love the colour of you plate, you could add a bit of the same colour wash again to pump it up as per Mea 's comment. May be more in the shadow area to give it more of a rounding. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Pomegranates in watercolour
Post by: Happychappy on March 14, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Denise, a fantastic job on the Poms. You are such a good artist. I am no expert and loathe correcting people when I am still learning myself, but having done the lesson, I feel I could be of some help. First off, as you look at the painting, the light is coming from the left and therefore your shadow should be on the other side of the bowl. The two biggest poms should be quite red and the little fruit on the right side ... we are not sure what it is but it should be a sort of grape colour. Not that my painting is by any means perfect but it may give you some guidance as to the highlights and colours. Hope this helps you Denise. Anyway, you have done a wonderful job irrespective and can be proud of yourself.


Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Danielle123 on March 14, 2016, 10:56:30 AM
Beautiful painting Patricia,  :clap: :clap: :clap:  Thinking of you in my prayers. 
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 14, 2016, 11:00:17 AM
 :thankyou: :thankyou:  Susan and Danielle for your very sweet comments and wishes.  I really appreciate it. 


Patricia :hug:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: dennis on March 14, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
Denise, I have moved it for you. It is always best to keep the subject matter together O0
Excellent rendering in watercolour :clap: :clap: :clap: Because you made the light coming from the right, just add a slight shadow on the left side of each of the pomegranates to give them volume. Lift out a slight highlight on the top right as well.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 14, 2016, 11:20:57 AM
Dennis, have I made a mistake with the light direction?  If I have, my apologies Denise, you see what I mean about instructing anyone else???  If the light is coming from the left as is what I thought by the poms having the highlights on their left, then surely the shadow should be cast onto the right side of the painting as you look at it straight on??  Please correct me Dennis for I have put the shadow of the bowl on the right side.   :crazy2: 


Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: dennis on March 14, 2016, 11:37:17 AM
Patricia, in the actual photograph and the painting the light is coming from the left. In Denise's painting the light is coming from the right. In this case the shadows and the highlights have to change.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on March 14, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
Thank you Danielle! I will add more color as you suggest :)

Patricia, please don't ever hesitate to make suggestions for me! I value all you have to say and know that we all want each other to become better artists. I truly look forward to the critiques because I miss seeing so many things that need to be corrected and that could use improvement. I totally understand where you were coming from so don't let that stop you next time okay!? I appreciate you so much!

Dennis, thank you for moving my post and for your recommendations. I will make those changes.
I have learned so much from you and look forward to more...
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on March 14, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
One of the valuable things I learned through this lesson also is regarding the indents on the plate. I unintentionally made mine opposite of the sample. The indents look raised instead of sunken. I'm thinking this is an effect of color and not the shadowing? Looking forward to advice on this - I'll have to keep it in mind for future projects.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: JayJ on March 14, 2016, 01:17:04 PM
Lovely paintings Patricia , Denise!



Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: JayJ on March 14, 2016, 01:22:58 PM
I am really sorry to hear you were not feeling well Patricia!Sending positive thoughts your way!
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 14, 2016, 01:35:22 PM
 :sweat:  Oh! Denise, I would hate to put you on the wrong track and felt sick in the stomach to think that I had instructed you incorrectly. I didn't notice that you had made the light coming from the right for it didn't look much different from the lesson's painting apart from the shadow of the bowl. Dennis' keen eye picked it up immediately. Anyway, I am pleased you understand my hesitancy in voicing my opinions for I am still such a novice at this. With regard to the bowl, they were indents. Looking straight on at the painting, the indents were lighter on the left side and darker on the right side of the bowl to show the shadow and illustrate that the light was coming from the left.
Hope this helps.




 :thankyou:  Zayn for your sweet message which I appreciate immensely.   




Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 14, 2016, 05:34:45 PM
Patricia and Denise,

I like the design on the plate both ways - indented and raised.

Each of you did them differently and equally beautifully done.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on March 14, 2016, 06:02:59 PM
I've posted my revised under the original. Thank you everyone!
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Danielle123 on March 14, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
Denise  :yippee: wow what a difference, just a bit more values does.    :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Danielle123 on March 14, 2016, 06:15:25 PM
Patricia, i just saw you new rendition wow it is beautifull you should be proud.  May i suggest one little thing.  The far left pomme grenade should be darker on the right side (shadow side).   :yippee:  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on March 14, 2016, 09:29:10 PM
Thank you Zayn and Mea!
Danielle, thank you again for the suggestion, I like it better too!
No worries Patricia! and thank you for the explanation for the indents. Yes, I see what you mean :)
Your poms look so rich and shiny in your revised picture - even more beautifuller ;)
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Val on March 15, 2016, 03:38:29 AM
 :heeha:   Great work on both paintings ladies!   :congrats:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 15, 2016, 04:01:39 AM
 :thankyou:  Danielle for your great suggestion, I also thought so when I posted the last picture and I will darken it for sure.  We never stop learning and my appreciation goes to all you wonderful artists and our fantastic tutors for taking us by the hand and showing us the way. Thank you.


 :thankyou:  Mea, yes, I also agree that the painting looks good both ways.


 :thankyou: Denise for your understanding and I love the way you have made the painting "your own" which illustrates that there are many ways we can and do things differently which, at the same time, expands our creativity too. You have done an excellent job, be proud.


 :thankyou: Val for your encouraging comment.


Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Juan Carlos on March 19, 2016, 02:54:25 PM
Beautiful paintings Patricia and Denise. Very nice tones and highlights.

Patricia I just read about your health and pray to God that you soon willl be alright. Painting helps a lot for instance.

Cheers.
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 19, 2016, 03:55:37 PM
 :thankyou:  so much Juan for your very sweet message.  I am still waiting to hear from the Intern at the Hospital for further tests. However, I am feeling so much better, thank you and yes, painting is very therapeutic and does help tremendously. 


Patricia 
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on March 19, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
Thank you Juan!

I'm glad you're feeling better Patricia.  :smitten:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 20, 2016, 05:45:22 AM
 :thankyou:  Denise, you are really special.    Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on April 06, 2016, 09:51:54 PM
Patricia, I hope your test results were ok?
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on April 07, 2016, 03:22:44 AM
Denise, I am still going through tests ... everything here takes time. I have a stress test tomorrow and then I don't know what happens after that. However, praise God, I am feeling fine and so far everything seems O.K. Thanks for your thoughts which I appreciate.      Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Denise808 on April 07, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
So glad you are feeling well Patricia. Keeping you in prayer  :smitten:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Fiona on March 12, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
Here is my version of this class, learned a lot from this one, like not blowing on the pastel.... took a while to clean the black paper  :)  Thanks Dennis for a great class.


As always crits, comments and suggestions are most welcome

Cheers
Fi
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: dennis on March 12, 2017, 05:25:22 PM
Stunning, Fiona  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Gita on March 13, 2017, 06:25:05 AM
I am glad you are out of the acute phase Patricia.  :flowers: Wish you a lot of strength and stamina and a come back to normal healthy life.
Patricia, Denise and Fiona- all of you have done such excellent paintings!  :clap: :clap:
Black paper does have a great effect!
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Val on March 13, 2017, 07:28:41 AM
 :heeha: Wow, wow, wow!!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

That is awesome Fi!  O0

I may have asked you this before.... what brand(s) of pastels do you use. Any favourites?
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Win on March 13, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
Very well done Fiona. Such smooth work.  :clap:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Happychappy on March 13, 2017, 12:49:52 PM
 :thankyou:  Gita for your kind message. Yes, I am fine now ... gosh, it was a year ago this month that I had the scare but so far so good. 


Fi, your Pomegranates in a bowl is absolutely spectacular.  You have done a stunning job for sure.


Patricia
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Juan Carlos on March 15, 2017, 02:10:12 PM
Superb Fiona. Wonderful shadows and textures.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Fiona on March 16, 2017, 12:51:29 PM
Thank you all for your lovely comments  :) I really enjoyed this lesson - it forced me to work very, very neatly, which if you know me is virtually an impossibility!!

Val, I use mostly Schminke, Jaxell, Unison and Ashby pastels, but by far my favourite is a set my Mum gave me which she used when she was painting, these pastels are well over 50 years old and still soft and creamy, but I am using them up at an alarming rate! They are a set of Reeves Artist pastels and they no longer make them, which is a terrible shame as there are some cracking colours in the set. And I have a full set of Derwent pastel pencils for details etc which I prefer to any of the other brands.

Cheers
Fi
Title: Re: PA - LESSON # 43 - Pomegranates in a Bowl
Post by: Val on March 16, 2017, 02:43:53 PM
Ta much Fi.  :)