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Title: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on January 31, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
Good morning. Just getting started and already having lots of fun! I have completed my first two assignments. I want to post them here but don't see how to attach photos. I have created an album in my profile. I'd love to know how to move them to this forum.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on January 31, 2016, 10:59:51 AM
Kathy,

We all had to learn this procedure.  Once you do it a couple times, it's like second nature.

Go to FORUM page, bottom "HOW TO" section.  Click on "Hot to add a photo to a post/use gallery"  Or click here:
http://www.paintbasket.com/members/index.php?topic=504.0 (http://www.paintbasket.com/members/index.php?topic=504.0)

Since you already have the photos in your gallery, you are half done.

Once you locate the BBC and copy it exactly, then you can paste it into your post.

As Nolan would say, Easy Peasy."

Go for it.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: BarryC on January 31, 2016, 12:01:59 PM
Welcome Kathy! This is a great place to learn. I like your landscape. Does it not give you a real feeling of being an artist? I remember doing mine and thinking that I could not believe I did that. Your tree is okay, better than mine was. I did not even post my tree I so ashamed of it.

Posting is easy once you know the tricks. Since you already uploaded your work, go to your album and open it so that you can see your work. Next,

Click on the picture to open it. You should then see the picture enlarged and Item Info below.

Look for the line that reads BBC and put your cursor in that text and highlight all of it and copy it. Next,

Go to the forum, create a new subject or reply to an existing one, and in tne text box where you type, do a paste (details is machine dependent).

That's it. Do a preview to see it work.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on January 31, 2016, 12:18:52 PM
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on January 31, 2016, 12:20:30 PM
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on January 31, 2016, 12:24:19 PM
Thank you Barry and mea. Yep, easy peasy now that I have the magic code .  😉

Yes Barry, the landscape was quite exciting! Now I'm working on the tonal values.

Enjoy your day. 😀
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on January 31, 2016, 12:51:57 PM
Kathy,

Barry said the exact same thing I was going to say about doing the landscape painting.  I, too, felt like an instant artist.  Isn't it amazing!

You were braver than me to post your beginning tree.  Mine is still in hiding.

You're off and running!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on January 31, 2016, 01:10:24 PM
Great job, Kathy. O0

I laughed when others mentioned their early attempts are squirreled away somewhere. Mine too. ;D

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on January 31, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
Great start Kathy :heeha:
 :thankyou: for joining the course, we appreciate the support and I know you will learn a lot O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on January 31, 2016, 01:54:32 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Kathy, you are off to a very good start and it only gets better.  So exciting times ahead for you.


Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Win on February 01, 2016, 04:37:25 AM
Welcome Kathy, I have just finished this course and enjoyed it immensely and was surprised at what I could actually produce.    I am sure you are going to enjoy the PB "family" who encourage you all along the way.   I too posted my first 10 minute tree. :)  Your Landscape is great 
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Annie. on February 01, 2016, 05:22:05 AM
 :welcome: aboard Kathy.

Great start, as the other I really enjoy the drawing course. It is a great basis for any media.  I am sure you win't beleive your eyes at the rspid progress when you start eith PB

Have fun  :painting:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 01, 2016, 05:31:07 AM
 :yippee:   Great work Kathy!!!   :bigwelcome: to Paint Basket!!! Keep that tree safe....in a few weeks time you won't believe the difference when you draw another. My poor tree...well, let's just say I think it went took to hiding in the woods, I haven't seen it in years!  :2funny:

You are starting in the perfect spot with this course. The basics you learn will cross over into whatever medium your decide to set hand to. Plus, you have the whole crowd here to help you along if you get stuck  :pullhair: , just give a holler and someone will be there to lend a hand.  O0

I look forward to seeing your progression and cheering you along. Have fun!!!  :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: lynn p. on February 01, 2016, 08:40:23 PM
Kathy--This is such a GREAT course and good for you for being so  :smart:  to take drawing before painting.  I did the opposite and just returning to drawing in past year.  You are doing it the right way. You will love Nolan and Dennis.  No better fellas around and they can draw and paint too ;)  Your landscape is perfect.  Keep showing us what you produce.  Funny about the  tree stories.  I think mine fell behind the frog and I dare not retrieve it!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 02, 2016, 08:53:55 PM
Shaded ball complete! On to some transfer work  ;D
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 02, 2016, 10:32:54 PM
Kathy S

Nice start of the ball drawing.  Slightly pregnant on the left side.

I find it best to trace a perfectly round object to make it look really round.

I actually hated doing this exercise in the beginning.  Now I draw shaded spheres often.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 03, 2016, 03:09:21 AM
 :heeha: Well done KathyS !!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 03, 2016, 05:05:05 AM
Nice job, Kathy!


Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 03, 2016, 07:17:04 AM
Thank you Steve, Val, and mea for the support and encouragement. Lol, I guess the ball does look a bit pregnant. I will have to draw a picture after she gives birth to the baby balls.  :2funny:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 03, 2016, 08:38:34 AM
LOL :2funny:  Love your sense of humor, Kathy S

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 03, 2016, 11:21:39 AM
beautiful smooth shadings, looking forward to seeing your berries now :heeha: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 03, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
Thank you, Nolan! Your tutorial is so nicely detailed. I appreciate the clear instruction.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 06, 2016, 09:39:01 PM
My berries are done.  :D  Each lesson is just packed with detail and information. It is really nice to be able to go back and view the work of those of you who did these lessons before me. I'm having a blast!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 06, 2016, 10:04:11 PM
Great job on the berries, Kathy S.

Might want to add a bit more dark value to the upper right leaf.

Otherwise, great work!

 You are learning so FAST.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 06, 2016, 10:28:15 PM
Thank you mea. Yes, I see what you mean about the upper right leaf.  It does look a bit washed out. I will adjust that tomorrow.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 07, 2016, 11:19:47 AM
Hi Kathy,

Wonderful job. It's a lot of fun, isn't it? :clap:

I love the texture. What paper did you use?

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 07, 2016, 02:53:16 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you Steve. Yes, I am having so much fun. I never thought I could draw.. This is all very new and I am amazed at what is possible with good instruction. I am SOOO  glad I found these classes and this forum.

This is the sketch pad I'm using:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: EmmaLee on February 07, 2016, 04:19:43 PM
Hi Kathy. Your berries look wonderful. I can't wait to see your next drawings!   O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 07, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
Thank you EmmaLee.  :thankyou:
I'm working on the rocks right now.. They are quite a challenge. I think I made my directional lines to heavy so I'm having to lighten them as I go along.  Getting all the directionals and the variations in the shading is not easy.  Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. :help:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 07, 2016, 08:13:25 PM
Wow! The rocks were quite a challenge. I would love insight and suggestions. I'd like to do this one again as I think there are some fundimentals I need to grasp.   :help:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 07, 2016, 08:58:47 PM
KathyS.

I agree - one of the toughest drawings ever. 

B-O-O!!!  You are still afraid of the darks!!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 07, 2016, 09:02:03 PM
KathyS

Oh, I just reread my post and hope you did not think I said BOO  meaning I was booing your drawing.  No, I meant BOO in like I am scaring you.

Your rock shapes were pretty well drawn, just needed stronger values.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 07, 2016, 09:19:12 PM
 ;) Hi mea!

 I was hoping you'd be online tonight. Thank you for your insight. I didn't even see your first post until you posted the 2nd one. Totally get the Boo!  ;D I didn't think I was afraid of the darks but I do see that I need more contrast. 

I remember reading one of your previous comments about the rocks not being your favorite.  I can see why. They really are tough.  I want to be able to capture texture like I saw in Nolan's example. Steve did a really good job with texture and shading values. I referenced back to both of their drawings as I did mine. I struggled with the directional lines too.  Sometimes the lines recommended didn't feel right. I wanted to take my shading another direction but it really didn't work.

I feel I would benefit from doing this one again.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 07, 2016, 10:33:58 PM
Just headed to bed now, KathyS.

Am so pleased with your progress.  It's so much fun to actually see people get better with every drawing.  I never realized how important drawing is until I started Paintbasket.

Aloha and have a good night.

mea

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 08, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
Kathy,

I like your rock formation. :clap::clap::clap: Keep up the great work.

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 09, 2016, 01:24:42 PM
beautiful work on both the berries and the rocks. I am very happy with how you are spotting the different tonal values :congrats:

Berries - darken the shadow cast on the left to the right of the berries, just right up against the berries O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 09, 2016, 04:01:08 PM
Beautifully done Kathy S!!!  O0   I really enjoyed the rocks, loved doing the different planes. Repeating an exercise has great merits, you can only get better by doing so.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 09, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you Steve, Nolan and Val. I love all the encouragement and suggestions. It really helps a lot. 

On the berries, I darkened the upper left leaf as suggested by mea and the shadow cast of the berries as suggested by Nolan.  Small adjustments do change the depth of the image. 

This group is awesome!  :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 09, 2016, 10:51:16 PM
 :D oh my, I'm becoming addicted to sketching.  I dream about it. I think about it throughout the day at work. I spend my whole evening drawing.   :smitten:

Tonight I finished my coffee cup.  I decided to draw it free hand. I think it came out pretty good. Would love any pointers that will help me grow.

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 10, 2016, 09:07:58 AM
Good work, KathyS.

Your freehand cup looks better than the one I did by tracing.

One thing I learned from my mistakes is to be sure that the ellipticals are perfectly rounded on the sides.  Your are just the teensiet, tiniest bit angular.  Someone (maybe Annie) said to do the first side and get it really rounded, then flip the paper over to do the other side.  Been practicing that and it makes it easier to do the second side.

Otherwise, I think you did a good job on it.

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 10, 2016, 11:40:59 AM
great start to your hatching Kathy :clap: :clap: :clap:

don't worry too much about trying to fix this one, but for future remember the ovals - the bottom oval is rounder than the top one O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 10, 2016, 01:46:21 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you for the feed back Nolan and mea. I really enjoy the suggestions and tips. I don't understand about the ovals and ellipticals. Nolan, are you talking about the oval at the top of the cup? Will these topics possibly come up in future classes?  :coffee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 11, 2016, 07:19:41 AM
Good job doing this freehand, Kathy. As Nolan says, "Practice, practice, practice."  O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: JayJ on February 11, 2016, 07:28:31 AM
Beautiful Kathy!yes Kathy, Nolan takes you thru the whole process...there will be exercises on shapes ..
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 11, 2016, 02:12:04 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you Steve and Jay. I agree about the practice, practice, practice. I am drawing every evening and  am loving it.  :smitten:  I can only put in a couple of hours an night as I still work full time.

I'm glad to hear the drawing of shapes is coming up. I kind of thought it would. Nolan seems to cover everything :). I love that this course builds on the concepts very gradually and with a lot of detail.  :twothumbs:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 11, 2016, 03:17:36 PM
:D oh my, I'm becoming addicted to sketching.  I dream about it. I think about it throughout the day at work. I spend my whole evening drawing.   :smitten:

 :( Very sad.... but, it happens to us all. Welcome to our home for "Artaholics".  :hug: It's the best!  :yippee:    :2funny:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 11, 2016, 03:21:26 PM
 :2funny:  :2funny: LOL Val!!! I'm glad we artoholics have a venue for art therapy and intervention!  :D
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 12, 2016, 09:23:54 PM
Teddy Bear is done.  :) I really like doing the cross hatching. It's fun to create the shading with a lot of little lines.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 12, 2016, 09:27:52 PM
KathyS 

You did a great job on your teddy bear.  Here's a hint - I put a copy of mine onto greeting cards for new baby's, kid's birthdays, etc.

I'd add a touch more dark shading at the bottom inside of the ears, especially the one on the right.

Otherwise, cuddly good!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 12, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Oh yes, I see what you mean on the bottom of the right ear. Good catch.  I will adjust that.  I love your idea for kids greeting cards! Thanks mea  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: BarryC on February 13, 2016, 05:37:41 AM
Nice job Kathy.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 13, 2016, 06:07:01 AM
Wonderful job, Kathy.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 13, 2016, 10:07:11 PM
 :thankyou:Thank you Steve and Barry.  Each lesson is a new adventure :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 13, 2016, 10:12:43 PM
With each new lesson, I wonder how I'm ever going to make my drawing look anything close to Nolan's. This fish was no exception. With the lovely detailed instruction, my fish looks like a fish. Yippie!  :D
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 13, 2016, 11:00:12 PM
Good job on the scumbled (Love that word) fish, Kathy.  One of my favorite lessons.

Yours came out better than mine.  This is another one I use on note cards.  People seem to like it.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: BarryC on February 14, 2016, 06:09:17 AM
Good job kathy, nicely done. You will use that technique again.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 14, 2016, 07:50:12 AM
 :thankyou: Thank you Barry and mea. I'm glad I'll be using the technique again. I really enjoyed it. I'm wondering what my drawings are going to turn out like when I venture out to draw something on my own. It is following every detail with Nolan that is giving me these results.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 14, 2016, 09:21:31 AM
KathyS,

I used to worry about that, too - what would my work look like without Nolan leading the way.

Guess what?  He does - because you begin to remember what technique to use where.  He's always there!

Same goes for Dennis with watercolor!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 14, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
KathyS,

I used to worry about that, too - what would my work look like without Nolan leading the way.

Guess what?  He does - because you begin to remember what technique to use where.  He's always there!

Same goes for Dennis with watercolor!

aloha

mea

Oh good! That is encouraging.  It is quite evident in your work mea! You are putting out some amazing sketches from everyday objects.  After a few more lessons under my belt, I will venture out and try something on my own.  I'm not ready yet but am excited to try soon. :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 14, 2016, 11:54:31 AM
hmm, yes the lesson on drawing shapes is still on it's way, so we will forgive you for not getting them correct here ;D

when you get to this lesson :
Day 15 - Finding Shapesyou can come back to the mug and the ellipse problem will make sense O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 14, 2016, 02:23:14 PM
You did a really nice job on that goldfish, Kathy. O0 O0 O0

It won't be long until you do a drawing of your own. You'll see once you get to the still life lesson. That's what I'm working on now.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 14, 2016, 05:29:43 PM

It won't be long until you do a drawing of your own. You'll see once you get to the still life lesson. That's what I'm working on now.

Oh that's good news, Steve. Aren't these lessons just the best? It amazes me to see what we are learning.

I always look forward to looking at your drawings as you do beautiful work and are a few lessons ahead of me. I can't wait to see the one your working on now. O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 14, 2016, 07:02:18 PM
Hi Kathy,

Yes, the lessons are great. I love they way that they all build on one another.

You should be catching up to me pretty soon. I'm kinda slow. I like to take my time. Also, I think I'm slower because I'm new to this.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 14, 2016, 08:08:26 PM
Hi Kathy,

Yes, the lessons are great. I love they way that they all build on one another.

You should be catching up to me pretty soon. I'm kinda slow. I like to take my time. Also, I think I'm slower because I'm new to this.

We are both new to this, Steve. Have you ever drawn before? What made you decide to take the course? Your work is very good.  I'd love to hear your story.

I've never had much interest in drawing though my mom and sister are both excellent artists. It was last summer that I picked up an adult coloring book and then started doing Zentangle (which I love). Next thing I knew I was feeling the joy of pen and paper. I decided I wanted to learn more and stumbled onto Nolan's YouTube video.  An awesome find to be sure. Now, here I am hooked on drawing.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 15, 2016, 04:09:43 AM
 :yippee: Kathy! You get a 'Goldie' award!!! Beautiful work on the goldfish.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Actually,  :whistle: I nicknamed my fish Goldie, and I like to give everyone who finishes theirs a 'Goldie' award!  ;D I know I've missed a number of you out there....  :blush: .... but Welcome to the pond!!!  :yippee:    :2funny:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 15, 2016, 05:16:52 AM
Hi Kathy,

To answer your question, my mother used to paint, so I guess I have a tendency toward it in my blood. I've always had an interest, but never the time. I spent my life as a computer programmer and that consumes a lot of time, not only creating the applications, but in studying new languages, etc. When I first started, most programs were in Assembler on a mainframe computer and most everything was written for batch processing. But now things are on multiple platforms in multiple languages. I won't bore you any more. I believe you get the idea.

Now that I'm retired, I have tons of time. So one day I downloaded a graphite drawing app to my tablet. One thing led to another and I wound up finding Paint Basket and the rest has been a lot of fun.




Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 15, 2016, 07:28:40 AM
I was up way past my bedtime getting this one done :D
I'm having way too much fun :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 15, 2016, 08:53:41 AM
Nice work on this one, Kathy.

The grasses look good, but the squiggly line at the front of them has too much of a repetitive look to it.

The rolling hills to the right could use some variation in values.

Wasn't that open window a trial!! I had so much trouble with that.

Keep going.  You are doing well.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 15, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
beautiful textures Kathy :heeha: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

just add a few more squiggles in the tree to break the dark line around the edge of the house, it must not follow the contour of the house, but look more random
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 15, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you mea and Nolan. The window wasn't that much of a challenge for me it was the vegetation. As noted by both you and Nolan, I have a resistance to randomness and " unevenness" ( a Kathy word :P). I will work on those changes this evening  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 15, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
Nice barn, Kathy.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 15, 2016, 07:21:47 PM
 :thankyou: Thanks Steve!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 15, 2016, 08:16:30 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you Nolan and mea for your suggestions. I love all the support, kind critiques, and encouragement. The little adjustments make such a difference.  :flowers:
Here is the barn with the adjustments you both recommended.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 15, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
Oh, yes, Kathy, the few tweaks made it much better.  Be proud of this.

Where would we be without the input of our PB family?

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 15, 2016, 08:42:32 PM
Oh, yes, Kathy, the few tweaks made it much better.  Be proud of this.

Where would we be without the input of our PB family?

aloha

mea

Oh thank you mea. I totally agree. I am so fond of our PB family. You are all an amazing group of supportive peers and teachers. I feel like I am making some life long friends here.  :hug:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on February 16, 2016, 05:13:06 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Kathy, an excellent job on the barn.  I remember that one so well, because I struggled with it. The little tweaks you have done have made all the difference.  It is wonderful to see your progress. Keep going.


Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: BarryC on February 16, 2016, 05:52:48 AM
Great job Kathy on the barn, keep it going, looking forward to the next one!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 18, 2016, 09:47:39 PM
Great job Kathy on the barn, keep it going, looking forward to the next one!

 :thankyou: Barry. Each lesson is rich with technique. Each one is a new adventure.  :flight:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 18, 2016, 10:06:52 PM
I've completed Lesson 15. That's the plate, koru, and candle sticks that we sketch free hand and then transfer to a clean sheet. It's a great lesson. I feel much better about shapes and drawing them now. Later, I may go back and do all the shading for the practice.

I'm feeling quite unsure of the next lesson using mathematical calculations to increase size. Math and I are not on friendly terms by any stretch of the imagination. Any suggestions from the mathematically challenged would be greatly appreciated.  :cost: 

For now, I think I will move on to the grid lesson. ^-^
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 18, 2016, 10:17:02 PM
Sorry, KathyS, I can be no help to you on this one.  I had an awful time with it.  Not sure I ever even posted it.

Good luck.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 19, 2016, 03:59:34 AM
 :confused: Where's the shadings?  :coolsmiley:   Great outline and you did a great job freehanding the plate....but you haven't put in any shadings.

I won't press too hard on you....I after ? years still haven't got the candlesticks right!  :2funny:   Now I suppose I'll have to go and pull it out...AGAIN!  :doh:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 19, 2016, 06:06:45 AM
Hi Kathy,

Being a former (current?) computer nerd, math is something we use a lot.

What is it that's confusing you?

The coordinate method is fairly straightforward. Fist off, only measure using the metric side of the ruler as you can make more precise measurements. I know that's obvious, but it needs restatement.

The most important thing is to establish the baseline (length) of your photo and the paper you are going to draw on.
To make it simple, let's assume the paper is twice the side of the photo. So you could have a baseline for the photo of 10mm and a baseline for the paper of 20mm. Now divide the baseline of the paper by the baseline of the photo. In other words, divide the larger size by the smaller.

20mm / 10mm = 2

All subsequent measurements you make on the photo will now need to be multiplied by two. So, if you were going to enlarge a vertical line proportionally to your paper you would want to mark the positions of the left and right end of the line on your paper. To do this you need to know how far these points are from the left side and bottom of your photo. Let's say the left end of the line is 3mm from the left edge of your photo and the right end of your line is 6mm from the left side of the photo. The distance of the line is 5mm from the bottom of the photo. Do the followings calcs:

Left point of line.              3mm x 2 =   6mm
Right point of line.            6mm x 2 = 12mm
Distance from bottom.      5mm x 2 =   10mm

Now, on your paper, all you need to do is draw a point 6mm from the left and 10mm from the bottom; and another point 12mm from the left and 10mm from the bottom. Finally, connect the points.

For a more complicated shape you just need to know the distances in the vertical and horizontal from the bottom left corner of your photo for each point you want to mark. These are known as the x and y coordinates and the point of origin.

I hope this helps.






Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 19, 2016, 06:59:46 AM
:confused: Where's the shadings?  :coolsmiley:   Great outline and you did a great job freehanding the plate....but you haven't put in any shadings.

I won't press too hard on you....I after ? years still haven't got the candlesticks right!  :2funny:   Now I suppose I'll have to go and pull it out...AGAIN!  :doh:

Good morning Val!
After looking at other people's posts, I saw some with shadings and some without so I though the assignment was mainly to do the outline.   :oops:
I will do the shading this weekend  :)
I'm so excited to get to some of the next drawings, I'm getting ahead of myself.
I hope your having a marvelous trip. I didn't know if you'd be posting while you are sailing.  :boat:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 19, 2016, 07:06:47 AM
 :thankyou: thank you Steve for such a detailed explanation! You are awesome :yippee:
I was totally confused by x and y. I get that now.  Your explanation supports Nolan's first drawing of the box. I think I can get that one now.  The second example he gave for filling the whole page has me completely lost. Again, thank you for the step by step info.
Now let's see if I can draw that building (after I shade the last lesson).  It looks pretty detailed.  :cost:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 19, 2016, 07:13:52 AM
Sorry, KathyS, I can be no help to you on this one.  I had an awful time with it.  Not sure I ever even posted it.

Good luck.

aloha

mea

Im with you on that,  mea. This is a tough one. I'm going to give it a good try and see what happens! Its all a part of learning, right?  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 21, 2016, 09:22:39 PM
I got it done!  :D I was so afraid of the shading on this one and I'm so glad I did it. This was a valuable lesson. I learned a lot. Mea, you were right about hearing Nolan's instructions in the back of my mind as I contemplated how to find the shadings and shadows. It's feels good because I had to figure this one out without following along with the video. I did struggle with the background shadows. It looks a little muddy to me but it will come in time. Over all, I'm celebrating!  :cheering: :cheering:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 21, 2016, 10:05:49 PM
Kathy, it looks like one of the best done so far of this drawing.

You are really getting good.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: BarryC on February 22, 2016, 05:33:29 AM
Great job Kathy. I never finished this one, but yours looks great.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 22, 2016, 06:05:36 AM
Outstanding job, Kathy! :clap::clap::clap: I like the way you did the reflections. Mind telling me how you did them?


This one was difficult for me too.  But the horse was a lot of fun.

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 22, 2016, 08:12:35 AM
  :thankyou: Thank you so much mea, Barry, and Steve. This one was a challenge, for sure.  Steve, I used a Tombow mono zero eraser to get the high lift on the plate reflection. You can find one on Amazon. It is a handy little tool.  O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 22, 2016, 10:23:15 AM
Hi Kathy,

I have two of them. One round and one rectangle. They're great aren't they!? I also use an electric eraser for work like this.

Check out Dick Blick. A lot of their stuff is cheaper than Amazon.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 22, 2016, 10:32:00 AM
Hi Kathy,

I have two of them. One round and one rectangle. They're great aren't they!? I also use an electric eraser for work like this.

Check out Dick Blick. A lot of their stuff is cheaper than Amazon.

I have heard of an electric eraser but have no idea how it is used. I will check it out and Dick Blick. BTW, I was highly complimented that you asked me how I did my high lights as I am constantly looking at YOUR work for technique and ideas.  :not_worthy:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 22, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
Well, you should be proud of this drawing. It was well done.

I didn't have the Tombow Mono when I did my Koru. I used my Sakura electric eraser. I think I'll use the Tombow for the highlights on the water glass I'm currently doing.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 22, 2016, 04:12:12 PM
 :yippee:   You did it Kathy!!!  :heeha:    I knew you could do it.   :cheering:     :congrats:      Fabulous!!!   :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 22, 2016, 04:15:13 PM
:yippee:   You did it Kathy!!!  :heeha:    I knew you could do it.   :cheering:     :congrats:      Fabulous!!!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

And I thank you, Val, for encouraging me to do so! It turned out to be such a valuable lesson.  :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on February 22, 2016, 04:33:23 PM
 >:(   Now I really feel I must bring this one back from the grave and get those blasted candle sticks done!  :doh: OY but I must learn to keep quiet!  :stress:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 22, 2016, 04:36:38 PM
 :promise: Trust me, it will be worth it Val. I'll be waiting for your completed masterpiece.  :gl:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 22, 2016, 10:28:17 PM
 :) My bushy tailed squirrel is complete.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 22, 2016, 10:43:44 PM
Love your cute little squirrel, KathyS.

The grass at his feet needs a little attention.  That all comes in time.  No worries.

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 22, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you, mea. He was lots of fun.  Yes, the grass. I was trying to make it look like a rocky dirt surface with sparse bits of grass. As you said, in time.  ::)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: artistforsaleorrent on February 23, 2016, 05:13:32 AM
Kathy,
I rarely comment on drawings. I'm a fanatic on detail. My comment is that since I have a dog who chases every squirrel that enters my fenced in yard, I've seen almost every type of squirrel- sitting upright or running for their lives and have to mention that your drawing neglected the ears. Squirrels have the tremendous ability to hear our dog even as he slinks slowly and quietly towards them catlike. They are rounded at the top for the most part.
Robert
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on February 23, 2016, 07:12:29 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Lovely drawing of the squirrel Kathy, it is so neatly done.    Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 23, 2016, 07:25:39 AM
 :thankyou: thank you, Patricia. It was really fun figuring out the fur.
Yes, Robert, I do see what you mean.  I was following the original drawing, or I thought, anyway.  In reality, squirrels do have larger rounded ears.  I will take a second look at the original and a few photos of squirrels and make an ear adjustment.   :thankyou: thank you for pointing that out.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 23, 2016, 08:06:00 AM
Kathy,
I rarely comment on drawings. I'm a fanatic on detail. My comment is that since I have a dog who chases every squirrel that enters my fenced in yard, I've seen almost every type of squirrel- sitting upright or running for their lives and have to mention that your drawing neglected the ears. Squirrels have the tremendous ability to hear our dog even as he slinks slowly and quietly towards them catlike. They are rounded at the top for the most part.
Robert

Hey Robert, I went online and looked at squirrel photos. There are many varieties.  It appears that the European and ground squirrel has the smaller oblong ear shape. I still agree my ear is off. It is to rigid in the outline. I will repost after I work on it tonight.  I do appreciate the insight. Researching the squirrel adds a dimension to my understanding of the drawing.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on February 23, 2016, 01:33:22 PM
well done Kathy, two beautiful drawings :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
You are going like a Boeing :heeha:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: JayJ on February 23, 2016, 02:35:32 PM
Love the Koru drawing ..it's so neat and squirrel looks great!great going Kathy!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 23, 2016, 04:59:28 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you Jay and Nolan. I'm just having a blast. Drawing every spare moment I can find. Love, love, love the lessons.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 23, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
Nice job on the chipmunk. :clap::clap::clap: Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 23, 2016, 09:15:43 PM
I made a very slight change to the squirrel's ear. In my first drawing it was to rigid. It looked like an unfinished outline. It is still a small ear as I believe that is correct for this type of squirrel. I softened the edges and gave it some shading.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 23, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
Nice job on the chipmunk. :clap::clap::clap: Keep up the good work!
:thankyou: Thank you, Steve. I made a slight modification to his ear after Robert accurately observed that the ear was not right. Its still not perfect but I like it better now.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: BarryC on February 24, 2016, 04:31:40 AM
Nice modifications Kathy, waiting for the next one.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 24, 2016, 06:41:44 AM
 :thankyou: Thank you, Barry.  I started the horse last night.  He is quite the project. It will be a few days before I have him ready to post  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 26, 2016, 11:52:50 PM
 :cloud9: I really loved this lesson. I can hardly believe that I drew this horse. Nolan,  :thankyou:  :not_worthy: I so appreciate your excellent instruction.  This course is amazing.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: BarryC on February 27, 2016, 05:53:25 AM
Excellent horse Kathy! Love the detail you put in the horse and the tackle.  Could not have asked for better.  Use a little more contrast to make the drawing pop.

I remeber when doing this and feeling the exact same wahy you did, could not believe I drew it - but then again, I still feel that way.

Great job, keep it going.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on February 27, 2016, 06:28:50 AM
Wonderful job on the horse, Kathy. O0 O0 O0

The only suggestion I would make is to extend the mouth so it suggests that the bit is inside the mouth. The original drawing didn't represent this clearly. Other than that and Barry's suggestion, I love this horse.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: cope99 on February 27, 2016, 07:25:48 AM
I love it!  Great job!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: jillh on February 27, 2016, 07:30:26 AM
Lovely sleek race horse!  Isn't this a fun course?
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 27, 2016, 08:12:56 AM
 :thankyou:
Thank you Chris, Jill, Barry, and Steve. Your encouragement, kudos, and insights mean so much to me.  :deal:
Barry, thank you for the suggestion about more contrast. I will study the photo and work on that.   :o
Steve, you are right, the bit isn't in his mouth.  :faint: I will fix that today. My husband also pointed out that I have the chin strap curled the wrong direction. Another oops! I was thinking this bridle was a style I've used that goes over one ear with out buckling under the chin.  If I look closer, that can't be correct. That strap would just be dangling and serve no purpose. So many things to learn and observe as we draw.  I love it!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on February 27, 2016, 08:47:35 AM
Kathy S

You did a great job.  I agree with Barry about more contrast.  Good can always be better!

Love the ears.

Agree about feeling good after drawing this horse.  That's how I felt.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on February 27, 2016, 10:28:16 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Oh! Kathy, it is just so encouraging to see how well you are doing in this course.  Your horse is beautiful.


Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 27, 2016, 11:56:46 AM
 :) I made the adjustments recommended by Steve and Barry. Now the bit fits into the mouth.  :heeha: I also fixed the throat strap to go under the neck. I added subtle contrast. I was a little unsure where to go with that other than to make the dark darker and the highlights lighter. Any other shading I should look adjust?

 :thankyou: Thank you all for the support and insight to help me learn.  We are an awesome community.  :hug:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 27, 2016, 11:58:24 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap:  Oh! Kathy, it is just so encouraging to see how well you are doing in this course.  Your horse is beautiful.


Patricia

 :-* Thank you, Patricia.  I couldn't do it without the support of all of you at PB. I am so grateful to all of you. :not_worthy:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 29, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
:help: :help: :help: :help: :help:

Oh my! I am completely lost with trying to follow this lesson on vanishing points. I have watched Nolan's video repeatedly. I have also watched Dennis's video on perspective on buildings.
I am beginning to get the concept. I understand that we create accurate angles by finding the vanishing point. I am trying to understand how I take this and redraw the building in the assignment. I printed out the worksheet. I've started to draw my lines a number of times but am totally lost. I know I need to get this before I move on. Is there anyway to simplify this?  :pullhair: :pullhair: :pullhair:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on February 29, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
:help: :help: :help: :help: :help:

Oh my! I am completely lost with trying to follow this lesson on vanishing points. I have watched Nolan's video repeatedly. I have also watched Dennis's video on perspective on buildings.
I am beginning to get the concept. I understand that we create accurate angles by finding the vanishing point. I am trying to understand how I take this and redraw the building in the assignment. I printed out the worksheet. I've started to draw my lines a number of times but am totally lost. I know I need to get this before I move on. Is there anyway to simplify this?  :pullhair: :pullhair: :pullhair:

   :-\ Okay, so after I posted in total frustration, I went back and tried it again.  I think I have the general idea. I didn't do the entire building but I hope I did enough to get the basics. I don't like to leave a project so rough and incomplete. I will return to this again in the near future.   :o 
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on March 01, 2016, 04:00:10 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Kathy, you are doing amazing work.  Your perspective drawing is spot on ... something I still can't get my old head around but am excited to see that you seem to have mastered it.  Great job. I am proud of you.


Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 01, 2016, 04:52:31 AM
 :yippee: You're on the right track Kathy.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Here is a little exercise I do now and again just to keep in practice. This is an old one in an old sketchbook. Perhaps I'd better smarten myself up and do a few myself!  :whistle:

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on March 01, 2016, 05:01:07 AM
Val, your drawings seem to be a darned good idea. I am going to try it. Thanks for showing us.    Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 01, 2016, 06:49:59 AM

 :thankyou: :thankyou:
Thanks so much for the encouragement Val and Patricia. You have no idea how much that means from two talented artists.   :not_worthy: 
Val, That looks like a great exercise, How did you do it? Did you create your drawings from a drawn vanishing point or find your vanishing point after the drawing? I would love to work on this more.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 01, 2016, 09:07:22 AM
Well, looks like I know what to do today for my daily sketch activity.


Thanks, Val (and KathyS for inspiring you).

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 01, 2016, 12:37:45 PM
your horse is beautiful, great shading work and contrasts :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 01, 2016, 03:46:12 PM
Draw your base/horizon line, set your vanishing points and just have at it!  :yippee:   I recommend you start with the blocks, they will make it easier to grasp the concept.  O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 01, 2016, 03:49:46 PM
 
Draw your base/horizon line, set your vanishing points and just have at it!  :yippee:   I recommend you start with the blocks, they will make it easier to grasp the concept.  O0

 :) Great, I am going to play with that tonight Val!  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 01, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
 :knuppel2: I AM going to get this Vanishing point concept. I am determined. :fight: This has been the hardest part of this course. Who would have thought that drawing a horse would be easier than drawing boxes. My head is swimming.   :uglystupid2:

It took me all evening and a whole lot of paper to finally get this far. Val, I really appreciate your posted example to follow. So far that comes closest to my getting it. I feel that my understanding of this is fuzzy at best. Yikes! :P

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 02, 2016, 04:38:43 AM
 :heeha: You have done very well Kathy. It does take a bit of practice to draw the 'perfect' box, and you are well on the way.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

I think I'll start a new thread and show the various exercises I've done for perspective. They really show their worth when you get to doing sketches of street scenes, or just getting objects the right size. Who knows.... it may even help me get sorted again!  ;)    ;D
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: artistforsaleorrent on March 02, 2016, 04:42:37 AM
Kathy,
I will begin this discussion, first with a caution note... perspective (which you are attempting with the above drawing) does not mean that you pick out points from which to take a ruler and draw them towards you... rather they are drawn from your object outward towards a distant region you have determined as your vanishing point.Others may wish to join in and I urge you pay attention and read this rather long entry slowly and make notes, because this material is not only absolutely essential for anyone wishing to portray buildings or forms realistically, but it is also difficult for any art student to comprehend completely, due to the complexity of the subject. I have taken years of trial and error to become the photo realistic illustrator I have become, and sense, perhaps erroneously, that your practice of three dimensional rectangles is a precursor to portraying a building or some other solid object.

Including perspective is also in the realm of architecture and drafting rather than in the “easier” (my words) drawing and painting. For those of you who want to include a building correctly, from scratch, this is an important and vital lesson and I applaud Kathy for attempting to understand it. If you don’t feel the need to understand what is involved, I suggest tracing or transferring a google image of a building or a rectangle onto your canvas and coloring it in as many grammar school students do. Don’t get me wrong, nor be offended, because even I sometimes do exactly that when speed is needed to reach a deadline or I just feel lazy.

Ok, here goes. When any of us draw or paint a building as part of a composition, we use “perspective”. A perspective drawing is similar to a photograph because it shows the object as it appears to the eye of the observer. A camera lens, like the human eye, is constructed so that the image of an object viewed through it, appears smaller as the viewed object moves away from the lens, by means of distance. Follow me so far? In other words, the farther away an aspect of a building is from you, the smaller it will be. But again, the object is viewed from your eye first and recedes to the farthest point of your composition. Kathy, it seems to me that you drew your visual rays from the vanishing points first and constructed your rectangles from their intersection, but I could be wrong and if so, I apologize.

I repeat. Representing a cube, or a solid rectangle or a building in perspective is based on the fact that all lines extending from the viewer appear to come together or to converge at some distant point. For example, to a person sighting down a long stretch of railroad tracks, the tracks will appear to merge or “vanish” at a single point far in the distance.  Stop reading, we've all see this in nature... a line of fences, a straight road which appears to narrow as we drive towards a destination. Back to the railroad tracks and imagine this, please.

The spacing between the horizontal railroad ties diminishes with distance. The rails, spread very far apart closest to you, narrow and eventually seem to blend as they approach the horizon. Do you see it? Good.That's single point perspective.

Now, breathe.

I will use the following terms in this discussion of perspective drawing. Please, please, please, take the time to become familiar with each term and it’s definition. A perspective drawing involves four main elements. 1. The observer (or viewer’s) eye. 2. The object being viewed. 3. The plane of projection. 4. The projectors from the observer’s eye to all points of the object.

For the sake of brevity, I will start with ELEVATION and mean specifically the front and side views of any solid rectangle.

PICTURE PLANE (PP) – This is the imaginary vertical plane placed between the eye of the viewer and the object being drawn. For instance, if you placed a piece of glass between your eye and the building you wish to draw, you could trace all the visual edges of the object onto the glass. Although impractical, it does illustrate some principles of perspective. In real life, your paper becomes the plane of glass; instead of tracing your drawing, you project it onto the paper.

STATION POINT(SP)- This represents the position of the viewer’s eye. It is one of the most important items in perspective drawing because the station point greatly influences the perspective of the drawing. If you can imagine looking straight ahead, as most beginners do, those train tracks would begin at the center of the bottom of the paper and vanish somewhere in the exact center of the paper. Eventually, you might try to show the building as if you were looking at it from the extreme left or right of the building, which would give your viewer’s an interesting painting, and if so, you will need to learn a great deal more about perspective drawing.

VANISHING POINT (VP)- This is known as the center of vision (CV) and is the point at which all horizontal lines seem to converge. As indicated by their names, the number of vanishing points constitutes the type of perspective drawing you are going to attempt. That is, one-point or parallel perspective has one vanishing point; two-point or angular perspective has two VPs; which is what I believe Kathy is trying to practice, and three-point (sometimes called triple-point or oblique) perspective has three vanishing points.

HORIZONTAL LINE (HL)- This is also known as eye level. The position of the horizon- that may or may not be visible on the picture plane, ( it may be behind a mountain or a stand of trees in your drawing) but which also depends on your chosen angle of sight (or the SP) and remember it does exist even if you can't see it.

GROUND LINE (GL)- This represents the edge of the ground plane on which the object rests. It represents the lower limit of your perspective drawing.

And finally, VISUAL RAYS (VR). These are the projectors from the points or edges of the object to the vanishing point(s). The visual rays seem to converge at the vanishing point(s).

This is a lot for anyone to digest, but Kathy you made a good start at reviewing two point perspective with your drawing. The internet is full of treatises by others much more learned than me, some even have movies showing a step by step process which might help you far better than I to grasp perspective drawing. I merely wanted to review with you the basics. Whether you are practicing single point, double point, or triple point, they must include an appreciation of the PP, SP, VP, HL, GL and just as importantly, the VRs. This is especially true when you wish to draw a reflection or a shadow.

Hope this helps...
Robert
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 02, 2016, 07:27:52 AM
:heeha: You have done very well Kathy. It does take a bit of practice to draw the 'perfect' box, and you are well on the way.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

I think I'll start a new thread and show the various exercises I've done for perspective. They really show their worth when you get to doing sketches of street scenes, or just getting objects the right size. Who knows.... it may even help me get sorted again!  ;)    ;D

Good morning Val.  Oh yes, a new thread on the topic would be great.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 02, 2016, 07:41:07 AM
 :) Good morning Robert,

Wow and  :thankyou: thank you for you detailed and clear explanation of visual perspective. Yes, it is a lot to digest but you have given us a clear and detailed list of steps to watch and follow. 

Dennis's class on building perspective covers much of what you are speaking to. I plan to watch his video again. I also have been poking around on the internet. I will check out some of those resources.

You are correct. I did draw my points and lines first. I tried to start without the drawn lines and was completely lost as to how to create my points from the started box. I will go back and try again ( and again and again) without the pre-drawn lines.

Val is going to start a new thread on the topic. Would you be okay with me copying and pasting your post there? It would be helpful to all of us.

Again, thank you so much for taking the time to post this valuable information.  :thankyou:

Kathy S.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 02, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
Wow, KathyS, you are determined!!!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 07, 2016, 11:07:25 PM
  My still life it complete! What an exciting adventure to choose my own subject. This sweet cookie jar has been passed down in my family for four generations. You sure learn to appreciate every little detail of a subject when taking it from form to paper. It was a delight to draw.

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: DeKay on March 08, 2016, 06:08:54 AM
WOW  Kathy this looks great. I love the cookie jar, the cookies look good enough to munch on. My question when setting up my own still life subject is how to light it? It seems to me that if that little piggy is all glass there would be more highlights but I guess it depends on the light source. Just curious.
DeKay
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 08, 2016, 06:45:25 AM
 :thankyou: Thank you Dekay. Yes, i completely agree with you about needing more highlights to make the glass shine. I studied and studied the photo I followed after my shadow box set up. I had to take it down after I drew the basic outline as I don't have a space to leave it set up.

I had a number of highlights to follow in the face but very few in the body. When I look at the cookie jar on my counter, it is full of highlights. I tried throwing in a few extras but it didn't look right. I guess I'm just not experienced enough yet.

The other challenge I had was the box was too small. It limited the positioning of my still life.  My original plan included a glass of milk.

Thank you so much for your observations. You have a good eye for the detail.  I'd love some suggestions. Here is the photo I followed.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 08, 2016, 07:19:11 AM
KathyS,

I too struggled with the lighting of the still life box.  Never did come up with a solution.

The cookie jar is so cute and you painted it well.  It's just the lighting that makes it look a bit off.

Agree with DeKay, those cookies look so munchable!

Such a whimsical idea for a still life.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: jillh on March 08, 2016, 10:38:14 AM
Kathy,  love your cookie jar and very edible cookies.  I think you did an awesome job.  My suggestion would be to soften the edges of your shadows (fade them away, even though they are dark).
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on March 08, 2016, 10:51:20 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Kathy, you did a brilliant job and it is really inspiring to see how well you are progressing.


Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Tania on March 08, 2016, 01:14:12 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: You did an awesome job on the piggy and the cookies! The plate appears a wee bit warped along the lower edge but otherwise looks great!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 08, 2016, 02:34:42 PM
 :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou: Thank you, Tania, Patricia, Jill, Mea, and Dekay. All of your encouragement and suggestions are so appreciated.

Jill, I did wonder if I should soften the edges of the shadow. I was trying to stay close to the photo. I will go back and lift out some of the color and see how it looks.

Tania, I see what you mean about the bottom edge of the plate. Thank you.

The highlights I am going to leave for now. When I tried to add them, it  did not work with the current shadows. I am open to instruction if anyone knows how I would create highlights that are not in the photo.

 :hug: You are all awesome!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Danielle123 on March 08, 2016, 05:16:30 PM
Great drawing and the little has the look of ceramics.  4 generation wow. Hope it will be kept in the family along with the painting.   :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 09, 2016, 12:23:06 PM
what a beautiful still life :heeha: :yippee: :yippee:
now I have to go buy myself a cookie :-\
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 09, 2016, 01:03:22 PM
what a beautiful still life :heeha: :yippee: :yippee:
now I have to go buy myself a cookie :-\

 :thankyou: Thank you Nolan! It was fun to do! As for the cookies, I ate two of my props while drawing it. It's really hard to stare at chocolate chips cookies for hours without partaking!  :tongue: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 09, 2016, 05:23:42 PM
hard is not the word - impossible sounds more accurate :whistle:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 09, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
what a beautiful still life :heeha: :yippee: :yippee:
now I have to go buy myself a cookie :-\

 I ate two of my props while drawing it. It's really hard to stare at chocolate chips cookies for hours without partaking! 

hard is not the word - impossible sounds more accurate :whistle:

   :heeha:   Aha!!!  I knew it was you that was the sweet thief!!! Shame on you for blaming Dennis!  :nono: :2funny:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 10, 2016, 01:29:58 PM
you do realise where I learn my cookie stealing tricks from :whistle:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 10, 2016, 03:56:00 PM
 :heeha: I can just see it now.... you two must have driven your mum crazy!  :D    :2funny:

Sorry for having a giggle on your course thread Kathy.  :blush:   How about a cookie?  >:D    :2funny:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 10, 2016, 07:46:34 PM
:heeha: I can just see it now.... you two must have driven your mum crazy!  :D    :2funny:

Sorry for having a giggle on your course thread Kathy.  :blush:   How about a cookie?  >:D    :2funny:

 ;D ;D ;D I love a good giggle and definitely a good cookie. Chocolate chip please! :2funny:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 13, 2016, 12:22:25 PM
I have mixed feelings about this drawing. It doesn't look finished.  In fact, I erased my signature after I took the photo. I want a completed work before I sign it.

 I am delighted that my elephant foot plant and rock statues look like they do in my backyard.  The fact that I could draw them is very exciting. I think they look a bit cartoony. I had a hard time shading the rocks.

 I had no idea what to do for background. They are sitting on stamped concrete and the statues are almost as dark as the concrete so I chose not to include it.

I'm pretty happy with the shadows under the rock statues but feel that the shadow for the plant looks more like a hairy spider.

I'm thinking of adding the background of the side of my house and window where this usually sits.  My concern is that I had moved it to the middle of the patio to do the drawing. If I add the window and stucco wall, I won't have the same lighting perspective.



Note: I deleted the photo on this post as i didn't want to leave a work so incomplete. I guess I should have left it for reference. I'll leave them all from this point forward.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: DeKay on March 13, 2016, 02:46:02 PM
Very nice!
Are those scorpions on your stamped concrete? How...... artistic LOL.
The cast shadow looks a little confusing to me, why - I don't know I am not that smart.
Perhaps it's just that scorpion getting in the way!
You are doing very well.
Best,
DeKay
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 13, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Hi DeKay,

Thank you. They are rock and wire statues. One is an ant like bug (with extra segments). The other is an iguana. The tail is curled a bit more than a real iguana but that is the way the artist made it so I went with it. Yes, I'm confused by the shadows too. The shadows under the ant and directly under the iguana are where the sun was casting them. I was a little slow getting to the shadow of the plant. It might be a bit off.  I am going to fix that one. I took a photo before I started drawing so I'm hoping I can fix it.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 13, 2016, 04:35:49 PM
 :) I feel much better about take 2 of this drawing.  Had a little challenge with the window and building perspective but was sure glad I studied perspective first. It's off a bit but I'll keep practicing.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 13, 2016, 04:52:32 PM
KathyS

Oh, yes, much better.  Now the composition makes sense.  Great Venetian blinds!

Good work.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Danielle123 on March 13, 2016, 05:04:20 PM
Lovely drawing  Kathy  :clap: :clap: your light appears to be from the left so your vase should have the light on the left and the right side in the dark, also darken some of the leaves on the right.    Hope you don' minde my saying so. 
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 13, 2016, 05:10:25 PM
Lovely drawing  Kathy  :clap: :clap: your light appears to be from the left so your vase should have the light on the left and the right side in the dark, also darken some of the leaves on the right.    Hope you don' minde my saying so.

 :thankyou: Thank you, Danielle.  I don't mind at all! I welcome the input.  I will work on that later this evening and post again.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 13, 2016, 07:35:11 PM
KathyS

Oh, yes, much better.  Now the composition makes sense.  Great Venetian blinds!

Good work.

 :thankyou: Thank you,mea. I feel must better about it now. I'm going to delete my first one. In fact, I need to go through my photos and delete a few of the first runs.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 13, 2016, 08:19:45 PM
I made a few more adjustments.  :thankyou: Danielle. Adding shadow to the right leaves and pot gives it more contrast. I also shifted the angle of the wall as it was too angled previously.  So much to learn. So many tweaks to get it right. I'm enjoying the journey.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 13, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
Gets better each time, KathyS.  So much fun to follow your improvements and your enthusiasm for doing them.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 14, 2016, 03:10:06 AM
 :surrender:   Kathy, please don't delete the previous photos if you haven't already done so. It tends to leave 'holes' in the posts.   :thankyou:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Danielle123 on March 14, 2016, 04:08:02 AM
Great job Kathy.   :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 14, 2016, 06:32:59 AM
:surrender:   Kathy, please don't delete the previous photos if you haven't already done so. It tends to leave 'holes' in the posts.   :thankyou:

 :oops: Oops! I already deleted the one. I went back to the post and left a note saying I deleted it. I hope that will help fill the hole a bit. I will leave them from now on.  :P
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on March 14, 2016, 10:55:16 AM
Great job on the still life, Kathy, and those cookies do look ready to eat!  O0 O0

And your outdoor scene looks really nice, too. :clap::clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 14, 2016, 11:40:49 AM
that is what the Paint Basket is all about - learning from your mistakes, so it is always a good idea to post the good, the bad and the ugly as that is how you learn and get constructive feedback O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 14, 2016, 09:27:27 PM
 :)Thank you, Steve. So. Glad to see you on the forum. You haven't posted any drawings in a while. Do you have any that you are working on presently?
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 15, 2016, 09:46:19 AM
that is what the Paint Basket is all about - learning from your mistakes, so it is always a good idea to post the good, the bad and the ugly as that is how you learn and get constructive feedback O0

Yes Nolan, I do get that now. I was a bit embarrassed  :blush: that I had posted my drawing prematurely but it is true, this is how we learn. I would repost it but I even deleted it from my phone.  :(
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on March 15, 2016, 10:24:20 AM
Hi Kathy,

Sometimes life gets in the way of my drawing.  :'( Can't be helped.

Right now I'm working on the tree assignment. I should have it done in a day or two.

Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 15, 2016, 03:31:19 PM
Not to worry then Kathy..... if anybody asks I'll tell them 'Oh, that's just Kathy's hole in the post!'  >:D   No, just kidding...  :jk: .... really!  :angel:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 15, 2016, 03:59:32 PM
Not to worry then Kathy..... if anybody asks I'll tell them 'Oh, that's just Kathy's hole in the post!'  >:D   No, just kidding...  :jk: .... really!  :angel:

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Truly laughing out loud Val!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on March 16, 2016, 07:47:35 AM
Kathy please don't feel embarrassed about anything for we all understand and we are all still learning. We make mistakes and we learn by our mistakes.  I have made some booboos and continue to make them ... it is a learning process. Wonderful that we can laugh about them.


Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 16, 2016, 03:10:17 PM
Thank you, Patricia!  :-*
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 16, 2016, 10:25:15 PM
Definitely up past my bedtime again!  :D just couldn't bring myself to stop until I finished my tree.  :whistle:

Night, night!  :sleep:

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 17, 2016, 05:04:32 AM
 :heeha:   Just look how far you have come on your journey! Brilliant, and you are not done yet. You will continue to build and grow and draw and paint the most wonderful things! So exciting!!!  :yippee:   Congratulations Kathy.  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 17, 2016, 05:55:56 AM
 :thankyou: Thank you Val! Wow posting the trees side by side really does speak volumes! I hadn't pulled out that first tree to compare. Thank you for doing that for me. I am so delighted with all I am learning at PB. The lessons and forum support are amazing.  :hug: I'm hooked on drawing and PB.  :twothumbs:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: DeKay on March 17, 2016, 06:44:33 AM
Kathy - GREAT TREE!  :clap:
I think you have grown by leaps and bounds.
Best,
DeKay
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 17, 2016, 02:32:29 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you, DeKay.  I had no idea that drawing could be so fun and satisfying. We sure are lucky to have PB to learn and grow!  :dance:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Danielle123 on March 18, 2016, 04:50:43 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Great job on your tree Kathy,   maybe you want to add a bit more tonal value on the right and fading it as you go that will give rounding.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 18, 2016, 05:57:56 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap: Great job on your tree Kathy,   maybe you want to add a bit more tonal value on the right and fading it as you go that will give rounding.

 :thankyou: Thank you, Danielle. I thought it looked a bit flat.  I will make some adjustments and post again.   O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on March 18, 2016, 08:24:42 AM
Hi Kathy!

I love your tree.  :smitten: :smitten: What kind of tree is it? Something native to California? The one I just posted is a red oak. Tons of those up here.

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 18, 2016, 08:43:20 AM
 :thankyou: Thank you Steve. I really had fun drawing this. I am going to go back and try Danielle's suggestion for shading to add dimension. I like the shading and contrast you have in your tree. it was beautifully done.

I believe this tree is native to California. Our streets in my community are lined with them. They are gorgeous and create a lot of shade. You'd think I would know the name of the tree as we have been discussing them in great detail at our HOA meetings. Sadly, they will be removing some of them as their root systems are invading the underground plumbing infrastructure. One thing I did learn is this species of tree comes in two varieties. One is tremendously fast growing and becomes invasive. It should be planted in a spacious area. The other is slower growing and stays smaller which is better in our community. Unfortunately, the developer planted both types. Probably more info than you ever needed to know. I am going to a meeting next week. I will ask the name of the tree again.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 18, 2016, 09:33:45 AM
Kathy,

Am finally getting caught up and have a chance to comment on your tree.  Nice job.

You've come a long way since the BEFORE tree.

I still feel challenged in making a tree look natural (except palm trees, I have gotten better at doing those).

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 18, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
 :thankyou: Thank You, mea.  We will just keep drawing and practicing. I'm thinking of trying your idea of a little daily drawing.  ;) I did notice that you weren't online as much. You've had a lot going on with your art show and all.  Glad to see you back on the forum.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: jillh on March 18, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
Saw this list of ideas for Daily drawings.   Thank you Arron Miller from 5pm. The list is extensive but here
it is for the first 30 days.

1 – Draw a shoe
2 – Draw a desk lamp or other lamp
3 – Purses, Wallets or Bags
4 – Draw your mug or cup
5 –Draw your bed
6 – Draw your favorite well-loved object … or a childhood toy
7 – Draw a bottle, jar or tin from the kitchen
8 – Draw your watch or other piece of jewelry
9 – Draw a bit of “organized chaos” – your messy desk, your table stacked with books, etc.
10 – Draw your hand or hands (or someone elses if you like)
11 – Draw your glasses or sunglasses
12 – Draw what you ate for dinner
13 – Draw your telephone (land line, cell, old-fashioned?)
14 – Draw what you see in the morning when you get up
15 – Draw a tree or trees, leaves or branches
16 – Draw a favorite tool
17 – Draw a musical instrument
18 – Draw the view from a window of your house, apartment, office, etc.
19 – Draw something you’ve made
20 – Draw something “Dad” – in honor of Fathers Day
21 – Draw something old, antique or vintage
22 – Draw a piece of clothing
23 – Draw your foot
24 – Draw a piece of fruit
25 – Draw a glass (the kind you drink from)
26 – Draw anything you like. If you want to draw a vegetable, that’s fine, too.
27 – Draw a book or anything else you want.
28 – Draw an appliance or anything else you like.
29 – Draw something architectural or anything else.
30 – Draw a chair or anything else you feel like.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 18, 2016, 12:09:19 PM
 :heeha: Ohhh! Great list!  :thankyou: Thank you, Jill!!!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: JayJ on March 18, 2016, 08:42:06 PM
Love the cookie Jar Kathy!tree is beautiful too!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 18, 2016, 09:58:26 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you so much, Zayn. Your kind words and encouragement mean a lot.  :flowers:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 19, 2016, 07:49:26 PM
Here is my tree with additional shading.  Though not a dramatic difference, I do believe this gives a bit more shape to the tree.  :thankyou: Thank you, Danielle, for the gentle nudge and suggestion.  I feel it could still use a little something but I don't know what. 
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 19, 2016, 08:29:41 PM
Good work, KathyS.  You are "branching" out in your art!

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 20, 2016, 01:35:11 AM
It just keeps getting better! I do think perhaps a few brighter highlights, keeping in mind your light source throughout the picture.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on March 20, 2016, 04:20:23 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Kathy it is lovely to see how committed you are to your lessons and how you have progressed in leaps and bounds.  Super work on your tree.


Patricia
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 20, 2016, 07:15:39 AM
 :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou: thank you Mea, Val, and Patricia.  :hug:

The encouragement, kudos, and insights are so very helpful and much appreciated.

Val, I agree about the highlights. Every time I tried to lighten an area it looked washed out as I didn't have a clear sight of my highlights to follow. The photo I was using was quiet dark and I wasn't placing the highlights well. I'm learning that I am not the best photographer. I will have to improve that skill, too, as I am going to be snapping shots of things I want to draw.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 20, 2016, 12:21:17 PM
While drawing/painting I put a little piece of tape with an arrow on it so I know where my light source is. Otherwise I do get carried away and next thing I know...I'd have to blame it on a disco ball!  :dance:   I have light coming from all directions!  :2funny:

I have painted on my photographs before, just to pop in the highlights and darker bits. Not sure if it helped, but it was fun  ;D
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 20, 2016, 08:34:11 PM
Great job Kathy, especially with the truck and branches :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

What you want to add to the leaves are lighter and darker areas - look for the clumps of leaves and add more leaves to the shadow areas to form the mass (each clump of leaves form a mass like a ball, so has a highlight area, mid tone area and a shadow area) O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 21, 2016, 06:00:42 AM
 :thankyou: Thank you Nolan. I will go back and see if I can get that contrast into the leaves.  O0
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 23, 2016, 08:45:57 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you, Nolan, for the suggestion to work in darker areas in the leaves to form the ball like masses. Now that I've posted this, I can see that even more gradual shading of the leaf clumps would add to the rounding to the clumped areas. Though, I won't post it for a 4th time, I will go back and adjust. Even as it is right now, this really does look much more like the tree on my street now.

Time to move on. I need to choose a landscape to draw.  :clap:

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 23, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
KathyS,

Yes, girl, you are getting it!!!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Win on March 24, 2016, 04:04:56 AM
Great tree, he looks like he belongs in a Mystical Forest.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Val on March 24, 2016, 04:40:58 AM
 :heeha:   Brilliant Kathy  O0   This has the look of an old lithograph! Love it! Well done  :yippee:    :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Danielle123 on March 24, 2016, 04:47:21 AM
Nice work Kathy,  it is not always easy to do those bellows I know.   
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 24, 2016, 12:32:56 PM
 :thankyou:  mea!
 :thankyou: Win
 :thankyou: Val
 :thankyou: Danielle

Every time one of you give me your observations and point out an area where I can improve, I learn. I appreciate that you take the time to look at my work and make suggestions.  :hug:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: nolan on March 28, 2016, 04:08:22 PM
 :gl: with your landscape
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 30, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
This is my landscape of one of my very favorite places on earth to walk and hike,  Mt. Rubidoux. It was lots of fun to draw. I'm so glad that just before I chose what I was going to draw for my landscape,  I had watched a class in composition which Nolan said to always draw what you are truly interested in. After hearing that statement, I knew what I wanted to do, Mt Rubidoux Peace Bridge.

I would love any helpful critiques. Overall, I am pleased with this drawing but it feels a bit busy. In reality, this is what the trail looks like. It is very rocky with lots of bushy plants.

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 30, 2016, 09:53:38 PM
KathyS,

Lovely place, Kathy.  I can see why you like it.

Overall, you've done well with it. I think it could benefit from more contrast - don't be afraid of the darks!

What is that  black circle at the bottom left?  It looks too big for the rest of the picture.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 30, 2016, 09:55:57 PM
KathyS,

Lovely place, Kathy.  I can see why you like it.

Overall, you've done well with it. I think it could benefit from more contrast - don't be afraid of the darks!

What is that  black circle at the bottom left?  It looks too big for the rest of the picture.

aloha

mea

Thank you, mea. I was afraid I had too much dark already. I'm not understanding where I need to darken but I will study my work and see if I can figure it out. 

The big black ring is an iron ring with a chain attached. It is to block off an area with a drop that is not visible in this drawing.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on March 31, 2016, 05:02:45 AM
Very nice drawing, Kathy.  O0 O0 O0

I heavy only one question. Is that supposed to be a road or river (stream)? It needs a little something to help the viewer know. If it is a dirt road, maybe tap in some pencil to make it more grainy. I'm not sure what to do for smooth macadam. Maybe slightly darker lines to suggest rubber left by tires? Otherwise, I love it.  :smitten:

Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Steve Weatherwax on March 31, 2016, 09:00:38 AM
Oops! I need to read more carefully. :blush: So the stippling technique should help the viewer identify this as a trail. However, if it's a paved trail, I hope someone can tell us how to make it identifiable as a trail and not a road.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: mea hamo pena on March 31, 2016, 10:03:20 AM
KathyS,

These techniques might help you to find those contrasts.

Look at any place where you know there e is very little likelihood there will be much light - like between rocks.  Make that furthest in spot as dark as possible them lighter as you come out.

Look at any spot where you have a contrast (like a spot on a rock).  Vary the contrast on the spot - as it will most likely catch the light at different levels, thereby casting shadows on itself.  If it's all one color, it'll look more like a polka dot. (I hate polka dots! - my grandmother made me a polka dot dress when I was a fat kid - hated them ever since.)

aloha

mea



Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 31, 2016, 10:13:26 AM
 :thankyou: mea! I will go back and work on that shading. I see now what you mean. I'll re-post again when I finish the adjustments.

 :thankyou: Steve. Yes, it is a paved walking trail. The lighter edge of the road  is from dirt that falls from the rocky hills. The pavement is pretty smooth and even as it was re-paved about a year ago. I will post the photo later. Don't have access to it now. I'm at work.  I would love to know how to make it look more like pavement. Actually, there were a couple of people walking in the photo but I chose not to include them.
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Post by: Happychappy on March 31, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Kathy, I saw your picture in the gallery this morning but never had time to comment. I think you have done a superb job. I was amazed at your stone work on the buildings, stairs and bridge/walkway. Gosh, you have progressed so much.  Patricia
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Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 31, 2016, 02:21:55 PM
 :thankyou: Patricia! Your encouragement means so much. This was a delightful challenge. It was exciting because I know Mt Rubidoux so well. My fur kids and I have spent a multitude of hours on just about every trail, rock, and structure there. Someone who saw my drawing on Facebook has asked if I would do a Riverside drawing of my choice for her. WOW! That would be my first commision.  :D
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Post by: Val on March 31, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
 :heeha: Congratulations on the commission!  :yippee:     :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Danielle123 on March 31, 2016, 05:58:30 PM
Wthat is a lovely drawing Kathy.   I would omit that circle and chain.  It bring the eye there and it is not necessary.   Like Mea said you need some darks to show the light areas  example the bushes could use some more darks in the shaded parts,  also it would give rounding.   :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 31, 2016, 07:50:27 PM
Steve - Here is the photo I was working from. I did not draw every rock or bush. I also omitted the people so it does not follow exactly. So now, what to do about the road. In my eye, it is pretty close but I know I have so much to learn yet. Ideas? I've posted the two side by side for easier comparison.

 :thankyou: Thank you, Danielle. You and mea both picked up on the same things.  I will go back and remove the ring and chain. I certainly don't want that to be where the eye is drawn. I'm also going to get that shading too!

Thank you all for the direction to work on improvement.


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Post by: Kathysutterlin on March 31, 2016, 09:56:41 PM
 :thankyou: PB friends for your experience and willingness to help and teach. I am learning so much from you when you give your insights and suggestions.

My first feeling when I finished this drawing was that it felt too busy. Danielle and mea, you both honed right in on the problem. It was that rock pillar with the ring and chain that threw off the balance of  the composition. I feel that the drawing flows so much better.

I did re-shade the rocks and bushes. Is it enough?

Again  :thankyou: bunches!  :smitten: :hug: :smitten:
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Post by: mea hamo pena on March 31, 2016, 10:11:55 PM
Oh, yes, KathyS, this is so much easier to look at now.

Super news that it has led to your first commission.

My gosh you are a rising stir in the PB firmament.

aloha

mea
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Post by: Steve Weatherwax on April 01, 2016, 02:04:46 PM
Congrats on the commission! It must feel nice.

Thanks for posting the picture. That pavement is really smooth. Maybe there's no way to improve it.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on April 01, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
 :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:


Kathy, what wonderful news .... your first commission!!!   You go girl!!!  Am soooooo excited for you. 


Patricia
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Post by: JayJ on April 01, 2016, 03:03:46 PM
Kathy this is so so beautiful!
Congratulations on your commission!
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Post by: jillh on April 01, 2016, 06:38:44 PM
Beautiful Kathy and congrats on getting the commission!
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Post by: Danielle123 on April 02, 2016, 04:29:25 AM
What a difference it makes without that chain.  Awsome and congrat on your commission.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 06, 2016, 09:41:47 PM
 :'(  It's a bittersweet moment as I post my final drawing for the course. It has been such a wonderful time of discovery and personal growth.

 :thankyou:  I have much gratitude to Nolan, Dennis, and the Paint Basket members for guiding and encouraging me as I stepped into the world of art.

What is so exciting is this course is the springboard into further discovery and growth as I explore more drawing and other mediums. Watercolor and pen and ink are calling out to me.  :yippee:

I love art!  :smitten:

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Post by: mea hamo pena on April 06, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
KathyS,

Congratulations.  It's been such a pleasure to watch you improve and see the joy you were getting from each lesson.

Bring on the paints!!!

aloha

mea
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Post by: nolan on April 07, 2016, 02:30:51 AM
congrats on the commission Kathy, you must be stoked :congrats:

Great landscape and much better without the ring. I would add the couple in as well :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

love the fuschia drawing too, great contrasts :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Happychappy on April 07, 2016, 03:39:11 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Kathy your Fuschia drawing is beautiful.  You have shown such enthusiasm throughout this Course which is manifested in your drawings and is both encouraging and contagious for us all. Doing what you love and enjoy is so important and your progress has been phenomenal. Carry on and never give up.


Patricia
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Post by: Steve Weatherwax on April 07, 2016, 11:24:40 AM
Congratulations on finishing the course!

And your fuchsia is lovely. :clap::clap::clap:

Yeah, it is a little sad that it's over, but the future is bright with all the opportunities we have to improve our skills. :painting:
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Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 07, 2016, 11:41:09 AM
Congratulations on finishing the course!

And your fuchsia is lovely. :clap::clap::clap:

Yeah, it is a little sad that it's over, but the future is bright with all the opportunities we have to improve our skills. :painting:

 :thankyou: Thank you, Steve!  :deal:  We are both recent grads!  :smart: :smart:  I'm so thankful we have this wide variety of excellent lessons and support to continue to grow.  :cost: :twothumbs:
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Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 07, 2016, 11:43:41 AM
KathyS,

Congratulations.  It's been such a pleasure to watch you improve and see the joy you were getting from each lesson.

Bring on the paints!!!

aloha

mea

 :thankyou: Thank you, Mea! Your cheering me on and gentle critiques have been a large part of my growth! Yes, paints are coming out in the next few days  :yippee: :painting: :yippee:
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 07, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
congrats on the commission Kathy, you must be stoked :congrats:

Great landscape and much better without the ring. I would add the couple in as well :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

love the fuschia drawing too, great contrasts :yippee: :yippee: :yippee:

 :thankyou: Thank you so much Nolan. Your classes are amazing.

Yes, I am stoked and a bit nervous about what is now 3 requests for drawings. I'm not going to rush into commissions but will be excited to do them in the near future.  :D

I'd thought about putting in the people in my landscape.  I may go back and add them per your suggestion.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 07, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: Kathy your Fuschia drawing is beautiful.  You have shown such enthusiasm throughout this Course which is manifested in your drawings and is both encouraging and contagious for us all. Doing what you love and enjoy is so important and your progress has been phenomenal. Carry on and never give up.


Patricia

 :thankyou: Thank you so much Patricia. You have no idea how much your supportive words help to keep me going and work even harder. Your a great cheer leader!  :cheering:
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Post by: Val on April 09, 2016, 02:57:17 PM
I knew there was something special about you!  O0   How do I know these things?  :coolsmiley:    :2funny:

 :heeha: Possibly 3 commissions?! Bouncing off the walls is more like it!!!  :yippee: Congratulations!!!  :congrats:
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Post by: DeKay on April 09, 2016, 05:05:28 PM
 :clap: Well done Kathy!
In a very short period you have become an artist and a marketing wizard as well. Congrats on completing Let's Draw. I have been stalling on my final drawing, I too hate to leave the "nest" and I have also decided to branch out a bit, I might even try scratch board! All the best to you and I'll be looking for your future works.
Deb - DeKay
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Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 09, 2016, 09:09:56 PM
:clap: Well done Kathy!
In a very short period you have become an artist and a marketing wizard as well. Congrats on completing Let's Draw. I have been stalling on my final drawing, I too hate to leave the "nest" and I have also decided to branch out a bit, I might even try scratch board! All the best to you and I'll be looking for your future works.
Deb - DeKay

 :thankyou: Thank you so much Deb. You have flown through this course beautifully too! I can hardly believe to are already working on your final drawing. I can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 09, 2016, 09:16:22 PM
I knew there was something special about you!  O0   How do I know these things?  :coolsmiley:    :2funny:

 :heeha: Possibly 3 commissions?! Bouncing off the walls is more like it!!!  :yippee: Congratulations!!!  :congrats:

 :-* Awe, thanks Val!  :flowers:
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Post by: Win on April 10, 2016, 01:29:06 PM
 :clap:  Great progress Kathy.
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Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 10, 2016, 07:04:58 PM
:clap:  Great progress Kathy.

 :thankyou: Thank you, Win!  :)
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: cope99 on April 13, 2016, 09:07:43 AM
Beautiful and don't leave!   I think secretly, I'm really taking my time to work my way through Let's draw, in fear that it might be over one day... : )   Congrats on the commissions!!!  You deserve it!
Title: Re: Kathy S - Let's Draw Course
Post by: Kathysutterlin on April 13, 2016, 09:52:14 AM
 :thankyou: for your kind words, Chris! I am not going anywhere but into more classes on Paintbasket.  I love it here. It really is amazing all we learn from Dennis, Nolan, and each other.

Yes, take your time and enjoy every lesson but know that there are oodles of lessons available to us after the course it completed. Have you checked out PB's sister site? It is onlineartlessons.com. I joined the monthly membership there so that I can access all classes whenever I want. There is SO MUCH valuable information.  :coolsmiley: