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Title: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 30, 2015, 10:04:40 AM
 :help:    here is a photo of my husband that I want to paint in WC,  I would like to know if I should leave it as is or should I add a cloud on the left end side and an Island or far away mountain, and maybe birds.   Please help.   :thankyou:
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: doina on January 30, 2015, 10:20:50 AM
I would just add some clouds in the sky to break the massive blue! I would also do two different blues: one for sky: like a cobalt blue and the other: a "sea/ocean" greenish blue. Hope someone will come with more ideas!
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Tousabella on January 30, 2015, 10:26:09 AM
It's going to be great.  I'm with Doina....different colors of blue to differentiate sea/sky, and possible just a small  or hazy cloud to break the picture.  What a nice picture it will be.  He will be pleased.
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Post by: Bellarina on January 30, 2015, 11:11:51 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  can't wait to see what you come up with Danielle.  :)
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: ncwren on January 30, 2015, 11:57:53 AM
Do some notans with your ideas.  ;)
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 30, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
Great idea about the sky colours I forgot, so clouds are in.   :thankyou: Doina
 :thankyou: Retta, and Robin,  sky and sea variation in colour
 :thankyou: Natalie good idea about the notans.
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: scouserl41 on January 30, 2015, 12:16:44 PM
How about zooming in on him and leaving the boat small to balance out the composition instead of it just being him slap in the middle of the canvas?
When you look at the photograph as a painting what is the subject of the painting? Is your eye drawn to the subject?
Can things be moved to make a better composition?
Is anything drawing your eye out of the picture or distracting you from the subject?
How will you add depth to the painting (atmospheric perspective)
What could you add to balance the painting (Your clouds etc)
Then make several small sketches using just shapes not details and put them out where you can see them at a glance. Take a day or two to look at the sketches. Make changes if you feel like it or make different ones.
Would some waves make the water more interesting? Would a palm tree framing the painting make a good addition.
Lots of stuff to think about huh??
I love creating the "Bones" of a painting, by the time I break out the canvas and paint I'm really fired up about it.
Hope this helps.
Brian
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 30, 2015, 12:50:39 PM
Here is the notan I made before you answered Brian,  I get to anxious and end up no doing any painting,just gets to me.

I will try more notans  :thankyou:  Brian for your advice, and all of you. 

  In the notan the water is greener than the photo, darken the sand, darken the top of the sky and added the clouds.  Added some some birds (not sure I want them).  Change the colour of the sail boat (might make it smaller as Brian suggestion).
 
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Annie. on January 30, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
Here is my input from Art Composition 101 (i.e. for my exercise, and very unlikely for your benefit):

- I noticed that the sand/water and the sea/sky lines are snack on the two horizontal 1/3 lines.

- What if the boat was moved a bit to the top left vertical 1/3 and your husband along the right vertical 1/3 line

- something in the sky, cloud (?), birds, mongolfier to add colours, children sand castle on the beach,

His face is dark with the cap...

So that would make for a good composition for a beginner, correct?  I also understand that advanced artist use their artistic license to brake those rules and make it even better!

Good luck!  I know it will be better then the photo...
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Annie. on January 30, 2015, 01:06:02 PM
Sorry, crossed wire with you and Brian.  How do you do a 'notan' (I first read a 'nolan'  :2funny: :2funny:), is it with a software or do you paint over a print?
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 30, 2015, 01:41:04 PM
Annie,  notans are little sketches that give you an idea of what the picture will look like and it help you with the balance. 

 :thankyou: Annie For your input, I will make some more notans, also with your suggestion. 

Here just made a few, no sand castle, or kids.  You are being very ambitious for me  :thankyou:  :2funny: :2funny:

PB friends. Let me know what appeals more to the eye. 
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Bellarina on January 30, 2015, 02:46:02 PM
I like number 1
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 30, 2015, 02:50:29 PM
Robin, i was changing the photo revised when you wrote #1   So i do not know if you mean the pencil notan.
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Bellarina on January 30, 2015, 02:53:33 PM
Yes the sketched version.  I like the composition
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: scouserl41 on January 30, 2015, 03:09:27 PM
I like the way the top right one of the 6 pencil sketches looks.
The slant of the waterline pulls your eye into the picture and the subject is a good shape so it retains your attention. Then the eye goes out to the sailboat and back to the subject.
It keeps your interest in the painting rather than letting your mind wander off elsewhere.
Brian
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Annie. on January 30, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
I like #5 but with your husband in the position of #1.  He looks to tall to me in notan 5.
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Post by: ncwren on January 30, 2015, 03:52:38 PM
I like them all.  ;D
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 30, 2015, 04:57:14 PM
 :thankyou: All,  i think Brian has a point with the eye going back to the subject with version 6.   
 :thankyou: All so much  for your input, you all had a good point  :hug:
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: mea hamo pena on January 30, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
Danielle,

I like #5. 

Funny, when I looked first at #2, I thought the sailboat was a big shark fi.  Yikes - JAWS!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: mea hamo pena on January 30, 2015, 05:37:16 PM
Wow, Brian, I found that list of thoughtful items very helpful.

Thanks for sharing.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Bellarina on January 30, 2015, 06:16:55 PM
Same here Mea.  Good things to ponder about.  :)
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 30, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Mea, you are :2funny: A shark!!!   And thank you
I agree Brian explains it well.

Title: Re: What to do
Post by: scouserl41 on January 30, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
I'm so glad to pass on the great help I've received from everyone here!
The planning of the painting is l believe way more than 50% of the whole.
Having the layout right sets the whole thing in your mind before you start and leaves the mind free to take care of tonal ranges, coloring, shading etc.
A little time spent there saves a lot of canvasses stacked up in the spare room where they c as by be seen!
Brian
Title: Re: What to do
Post by: Danielle123 on January 31, 2015, 05:58:26 PM
 :thankyou: Brian for all your help.  I have completed it and put it in WC encouragement section for all the PB critics  and tell me if I got the notion right.