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Title: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on August 04, 2014, 04:40:46 AM
Finally got thecourage up the other day to open the pastel pots! Yowza!!! Can I ever get in trouble with these!!!! (https://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/50530/1509910.GIF) (http://www.Quebles.com/Hotmail-Tools/Emoticons/)

I just smeared some colours on the paper and tried blending them to see what happens. Here's the result....


So, whadda ya think? Any chance I can expand on my non-burgeoning career?!    ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: ncwren on August 04, 2014, 05:29:07 AM
Looks like you will be having a lot of fun with them!  O0
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Post by: mea hamo pena on August 04, 2014, 08:57:42 AM
Don't quit your day job just yet. ::)

aloha

mea
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Post by: scouserl41 on August 04, 2014, 11:12:55 AM
What an awsome rendition of "Foggy Day on the Farm" I love it.
Brian
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Post by: Happychappy on August 04, 2014, 03:47:19 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Great start .... I see the beginnings of super pastel paintings .... just carry on and don't give up Val.  Remember what Dennis always tells us "practice makes perfect".      :twothumbs:   Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Tousabella on August 04, 2014, 08:19:56 PM
Looks like the area around where I live right now...smoke from all the fires!!  Keep the chalk handy, and the wet cloth nearby!! [size=78%]  Aren't they fun?  I just love pastels, and Val, when you get the 'hang' of 'em, you will too!  oooooops.[/size]
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Danielle123 on August 05, 2014, 03:27:11 AM
Nicely done Val, you will love pastels, i know i do. 
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Post by: BeaSue on August 09, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
Are pastel pots what they sound like--pots of pastel pigment that you smear on with your fingers? Do we need a finger-painting forum segment?  :2funny:

Sounds like fun, Val. Would love to see what else you do with these.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Ray3 on August 09, 2014, 10:43:32 PM
Well done Val your pastel painting has captured the fury of a hurricane coming across the country meadow beautiful   Ray
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on August 10, 2014, 06:17:43 AM
Thanks everyone.  :)   
Mea, you have a solid point there......oh,  :eek: but wait....I don't have a job anymore!  :heeha:

Guess that gives me a leg up!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 03, 2017, 03:52:56 PM
Decided to open this thread once again and keep all of my pastel pieces in one place. Lessons will still be in their proper place, just makes it easier for me to find all of my mishaps and see where and if I've improved.  ;)

So to start off here's the infamous mixed media grapes!

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 03, 2017, 04:00:30 PM
This is one I had a go at while on anchor watch the other night. Ran out of one of the colours I was using so it will have to wait a while before it gets completed.

Pan pastel on dark paper doesn't cover very well.  :tongue: Another lesson learned.

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: EmmaLee on April 03, 2017, 04:04:22 PM
Ohhh, this one is going to be beautiful. I was in the frame shop the other day and saw a woman framing a pastel work. It was yellow flowers on black background. The contrast was stunning! Cant wait to see this one complete.
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Post by: mea hamo pena on April 03, 2017, 07:13:11 PM
I like it, Val.  The petals really jump out at you

aloha

mea
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Post by: mea hamo pena on April 03, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
What a glass of wine those grapes will make, Val.



aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 03, 2017, 07:35:24 PM
Perhaps you can give me a hint here.... the bottom petal should be curling back (away). I've tried a few things but it just never looks right. Any ideas?  ???
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: mea hamo pena on April 03, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
Hmmm, Val.  I think that the far edges would have to be darkest, then a lighter strip where the curl is , then get slightly darker as the color moves to center.

Mind you - I am no expert in this.  Just seems to make sense.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: dennis on April 03, 2017, 11:02:27 PM
Mea is correct. The top of the curl reflects the most light, therefore both the inner section of the petal and the tip of the petal will be the darkest of the colour. The center of the petal will be the lightest. Look at anything round, such as a pencil, and the lightest part is at the top of the rounding. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Gita on April 03, 2017, 11:13:44 PM
Don't quit your day job just yet. ::)

aloha

mea

 :2funny: :2funny:

Val, your journey with the pastels since 2014 is a success! The Frangipani looks great already!  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 06:34:53 AM
Thank you EmmaLee, I'm still experimenting with these Pan Pastels. They work quite well on coloured backgrounds as long as the paper colour is close to the subject colour like the orangey colour I used for the tiger, and the grey/blue paper I used on the surfer and cat.

I think for most paintings it will have to be white and paint in the dark background around the subject. I think I'll be looking into the soft stick pastels, there seems to be a lot less issue with those. The sticks may be a bit messier, but when I tried some in an art shop I found they were easier to use. The pans may create less dust, but it is extremely fine like talc. Just the slightest hint of air movement gets it in the air. Even with my glasses I find my eyes feel very dry and gritty. Going on the hunt for some safety glasses that will fit over my specs.  :detective: :squareeyes:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 06:36:58 AM
Mea, that's pretty much the formula I've been trying. Maybe it's just me but just didn't look right. The one good thing about the pans is..... they rub out easily!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 06:39:51 AM
Thank you Dennis, between you and Nolan that's pretty well drummed in my head...  :hammer:     :2funny:

Perhaps it is just me not seeing it properly. Next time I give it a go I'll leave it and see what you all think before I get out the rubber again!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 06:45:12 AM
 :1hug: Ta much Gita, I'm hoping it will be a successful venture. It has become a bit of a toss up between w/c and pastel. Love them both... as much as my pencils... and my ink bottle... oh, and my scratchboards... my short dabble with acrylics was fun........   :whistle:         :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on April 04, 2017, 12:57:09 PM
Oh I love that you are venturing into pastels Val! I've seen the pans mostly used for backgrounds, skies and some landscapes. It's fun then to finish off with strokes of sticks. Look at eBay for those if you can have them shipped
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 05:07:44 PM
Thanks Lynn. Sadly shipping costs to here are prohibitive.  :cost: Often more than the item being sent.

The only way to ensure a package arrives is by courier. We had to have a new bank card sent down... cost Cdn$185.00!!!  :faint: Art supplies are a moot issue.  :( I just have to go with whatever I can find. The one thing in my favour is.... I can be very resourceful when inspired!  :detective:      >:D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on April 05, 2017, 04:57:44 AM
Understood Val.  Here is a combination of pans and pastel pencils, if you have any.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1424957 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1424957)
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Annie. on April 05, 2017, 06:22:40 AM
I can now have a clear image of you going thru security after you had re-stock art supply during one of your visits up North  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 05, 2017, 09:27:36 AM
Thanks for that Lynn. I have been keeping an eye on an Aussie pastel artist, Janet Thatcher. Amazing wildlife!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTcnms2e9Ws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTcnms2e9Ws)

Also a few others for technique ideas. Not pans, have only found a few of those so far. If I can get hold of some good quality sticks I'll use the pans more for background. Also need to find more pastel pencils!  :detective:    :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 05, 2017, 09:29:59 AM
 >:D Oh indeed Annie! When I get to go north I really load up.... there are quite a number of people down here that may not have closets....but they do have lovely luggage!  ;)     :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Annie. on April 06, 2017, 05:23:46 AM
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on April 13, 2017, 07:13:40 AM
I still think the grapes are ready for framing - it's really excellent! And I love love love the flower painting - can't wait to see this one completed. You and pastels are well suited to each other...And one of these days, when I find the time to fly to your boat to visit you, I'll bring a suitcase filled with whatever painting supplies you need!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 13, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Aw bless you Sharon you are a sweetheart.  :-*   Sadly our time in Belize is up. Couldn't manage to wrangle one more month...but I did try!  :whistle:   We've already had one month more than normally allowed!  :yippee:
Just love it here.  :smitten:

So we are off down to Guatemala shortly for a time but hope to be back in Belize for a month or two before we must tuck PJ away for another hurricane season. Really looking forward to some road trips though! The buses are always an adventure!  :doh:     :eyesclosed:     :2funny:
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on April 13, 2017, 04:15:16 PM
On the road with Val - another book possibility!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 13, 2017, 07:16:57 PM
 :2funny:    Funny you should mention that.... I was looking through our old log books the other day..... who knows, perhaps, maybe!  ;)

Almost 1/2 done on my new painting!   :sweat:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 21, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
The wifi here is too slow to upload, I wanted to put up Byron's House done with just the Pan Pastels, and then post the finished item once finished with the stick pastels.

I've been trying to review the first couple of lessons to get the hang of the sticks. Wow are they different! I think I'm going to love using these.  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Fiona on May 22, 2017, 06:00:31 AM
I know you are going to love using the pastel sticks Val  :)   There's something organic about them that I love and getting dirty is just half the fun  :)
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 22, 2017, 07:23:39 AM
You are so right Fi!!!  :heeha:   I managed to do the green apple from the techniques lesson at 'O' dark 30 this morning!  ;D   Have got too get my modem recharged! It was a real challenge as i had to use black paper.  :o Actually turned out not too too bad. Very hard to photograph though, the colours just seem to fade to almost white. Will try again later.

i got sticks!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 22, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Trying once again.....


:heeha:       :dance:     :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Fiona on May 22, 2017, 02:20:04 PM
Excellent apple Val  :)

Isn't it amazing the difference the sticks make? And I see you are using Canson paper as well  :)  One of my favourite supports, although I seem to use the smooth side most often. Looking forward to seeing more of your pastels  :clap: :clap:   :party:

Cheers Fi
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Kathysutterlin on May 22, 2017, 05:54:05 PM
 :) Hi Val, I just read up on your pastel thread. I love what you are creating in this medium.  :smitten:  I am looking forward to that flower when it is finished. It looks like a plumeria to me. Is it?
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 23, 2017, 03:52:52 AM
Thanks Fi. The sticks are so different from the small set I originally bought, those were so hard it was a fight to get them on the paper, and to blend was a nightmare and they left scratchy marks behind. It was after that I bought the Pans. Just like painting they said, you're a watercolourist you'll love them! No I don't, they are great to a point but too many battles.

So, now i have some sticks to try and already I love them! What a difference  :heeha:   I was so pleased with my green apple yesterday I forgot to put my solar light outside to recharge....no good light to work with so had to erase my attempt at the red apple and will start again tonight. So exciting I don't want to put the box down!  :yippee: :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 23, 2017, 04:13:11 AM
Thank you Kathy. I'll most likely be starting that one over as I can't match the colours... after all the struggles with that one, doing a new one with my sticks should be a breeze!  :eek: maybe?!   ;D
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Post by: linley.plester on May 25, 2017, 08:53:51 PM
Such god news Val (that you are enjoying your new pastels).  :smitten:
with the apple. and I liked the frangipani too. Keep on posting, and of course  :painting:
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Post by: dennis on May 25, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Gita on May 26, 2017, 03:02:07 AM
The apple looks great, Val! Happy to know that you are enjoying your pastel sticks.
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Post by: EmmaLee on May 26, 2017, 03:55:56 AM
Great Apple, Val. I love the colors!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 04:56:32 AM
Just wait 'til you get a boo at this!!!!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 05:43:59 AM
 :doh:   oy....     :2funny:

You all know how well disciplined I am at following lessons when there's something exciting to try......


I wanted to try some sky to see if I could do some clouds to finish Byron's house. Not quite what I was looking for but in the right direction. I needed to add more white into the bottom of the sky and decrease the value as I came closer to the horizon.

This one was done using the Staedtler Pastels, wow... far better than I had thought they'd be!  :heeha: I was worried they were going to be a bit too hard, but no worries now!  :yippee:   It measures about 3.5" square, and contains 14 colours!!!  :o    :tooth:

The thing about these pastels was the smack in the face with incredible colour!  :faint:   Vibrant?.....WOW!!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Win on May 26, 2017, 06:10:15 AM
 :yippee:    :cloud9:     They are crazy amazing to work with.  :)
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Post by: mea hamo pena on May 26, 2017, 07:54:32 AM
Val

I see what you mean about color.  Fantastic.

Nice work.  Enjoy.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 03:23:29 PM
Just so loving these Win. I keep having a lot of oooh-aaaah! moments!!! So many beautiful colours to discover.  :painting:     :painting:     :painting:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 03:27:33 PM
Thank you Mea... I've a long way to go with these, but it may be a quick trip with these!  :heeha:   I get such a rush with how quickly a painting can develop! Can't wait to experiment with these alongside the w/c   :heeha: :heeha: Such a high I'm beside myself!  :2funny:

No I haven't been inhaling the dust....just soaking up the colour!  :yippee:
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Post by: Happychappy on May 26, 2017, 04:29:25 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Oh! Val, you are doing so well with the pastels and they are wonderful to work with because as you have found out, the colours are so vibrant and alive.  I enjoy the pastel pencils so much too.  Carry on the good work.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 27, 2017, 03:45:52 AM
Thank you so much Patricia... I may even get brave enough to try that Mallard Duck!  :eek:     Here I've only tried one green apple, and a knock up landscape, and already having visions of grandeur!    :2funny:

I've managed to see about half of Dennis' rock formations, and waiting (none)to patiently for his mist in the mountains lesson to open. I have so many photos of mountains and volcanoes to try!  :heeha:      :yippee:

OOOOh Patty I'm away!!!   :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on May 27, 2017, 10:47:05 AM
Val you have enthusiasm which is contagious.  Once you get into pastel work you will just love it as we all do. So carry on and don't give up for you are doing well.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on May 27, 2017, 05:56:02 PM
Val, I am so excited to see your enthusiasm for pastels,  they truly are just great and with your watercolor background you will just love the combinations.  Try the smooth side of Canson and see how you like it.  Love your color combinations. 


I want to share something very exciting I am trying with watercolor and pastels combined.  Tonja Sell creates these wonderful organic, abstract backgrounds in watercolor, often on UArt, sanded pastel paper and then tries to find a figure in the abstract and develops it with pastel using similar colors to the background.  She happens to have a free video of a green apple also.  Check her out.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 27, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
Actually Patricia I may well be contagious! I'm still fighting this nasty bug we picked up in Guat. City. A lot of people here seem to have it.  :envy:   

Here's hoping the only contagious thing is enthusiasm.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 27, 2017, 06:25:11 PM
Thank you Lynn  :heeha: Actually I just finished drawing out another idea...on the reverse side of my Canson paper! I shall definitely look into Tonja Sell, sounds fascinating.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 29, 2017, 01:01:15 PM
 :knuppel2: I must not fiddle, I must not fiddle....   I finished this fellow early this morning, and waited for better light to photograph. Should have hid it from sight!  :doh:   I keep at this and I'll be able to play a jig in no time!  :2funny:

I feel I've learned why most of the pastel artists I've been watching paint big. I could see by my original sketch that the only way I could have done it was with the pencils, so I made it as big as I thought feasible on my current paper. Not a total disaster, but not even close to my original perception!  ;)

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: mea hamo pena on May 29, 2017, 01:26:10 PM
Hmmm, Val. 

Don't know what else to say.  Looks like you had fun doing it.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 26, 2017, 11:50:36 AM
 :confused: Look what popped up! Better late than never I guess.

I think it was 'interesting'.... definitely fun though Mea  ;D   I'm not quite sure what happened to this little fellow, mumps maybe? Just call me "Big 'ead" !  :2funny:

I do have a couple more pictures to post, the net is still being contrary but will try to get them up later.  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 26, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
Forgot.... I am almost done with my frog! Still a bit of background to finish but the frog just needs final darks and highlights!  :clap:   Quite excited!

I was experimenting again.... I kept hearing about working on 'sanded paper'. As usual I don't have access, BUT... Lloyd does have some sheets of sandpaper! Sanded paper, sandpaper....sounds close enough to me.  :whistle: Yep, my froggy is being done on a 400 grit 9"x11" sheet of wet/dry sandpaper!

 :think: Now what was that Trev was saying about 'crazy ass' paintings....  :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on July 26, 2017, 12:40:10 PM
Val, your bird is just too fantastic and the background is so vibrant and eye catching.  Just  :smitten:  it.


As for the sandpaper .... I think you are very brave .... what would worry me is that the sandpaper would eat up my pastels in no time at all. Looking forward to seeing the outcome and your comments.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 26, 2017, 12:59:51 PM
You are right about the paper eating up the pastels. I have been told that if you use a harder pastel as an underpainting and the softer pastels on top, you don't lose as much. That will remain to be seen! I wonder what the difference is between sanded paper and sandpaper  :confused:

With the few pencils I have left, I found they just seem to disappear.... constantly have to sharpen them. I certainly won't be doing pastel pencil paintings on the sanded paper.   :cost:     :faint:

I had to pack in today, the wind is up this afternoon and my 'studio'  :boat: is just too bouncy!  :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 08:23:01 AM
My Red Eyed  Tree Frog[/b] ! Are you ready?!  :heeha:

Pastel on 3M 400grit wet/dry 9"x11" sandpaper.....


A few lessons learned here:

1) Wear protective clothing.... 

2) Make certain fan is off.   :doh:

3) Put in background first (I was too excited) Couldn't wait to paint the frog.   :nono:

4) Make sure settee fabric is covered.  :whistle:

Ok.... should be safe to start....
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 27, 2017, 10:40:07 AM
Such a cutie, it is, Val.  Love the bright colors.  It has personality and a "look-at-me" attitude.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on July 27, 2017, 11:23:05 AM
I love this, Val!! So bold and whimsical!  :clap: :clap: :clap: And your lessons learned are perfect! The times I don't  start with the background first are paintings I rarely finish - they're never correct. Can't wait to see what project you "hop" into next!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on July 27, 2017, 12:48:19 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Oh! Val, this little guy is so cute and you have done such a neat job.  Just love his colours, red eye and all.  Great job.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on July 27, 2017, 01:53:11 PM
Oh Val--I love this.  The wonderful brilliance of pastels really shows through here!!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: BeaSue on July 27, 2017, 02:07:23 PM
Val! This is SO Cool! Way to go, my friend!  :yippee:  :yippee:  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 02:32:48 PM
 :thankyou: Mea, these little guys are indigenous to Central America.... but I've yet to find one. I just seem to keep coming across whopping big toads!  ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 27, 2017, 02:36:32 PM
We used to have whopping huge frogs in our backyard when I first moved to Hawaii.  Now I hardly ever see any.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 02:39:03 PM
Ta much Sharon, he was quite fun to do.... until I got to the background  :doh:   That will teach me, if I'm lucky.  ;)

I was actually working on Byron's house, the sky will remain cloudless as the paper just won't take anymore pastel. At least I managed to give it a bit of gradation so it does look better.

My problem now is what to do about the sand! Of course in the light down here it looks almost white, which if left that way looks blah! I've been trying colour combinations but just can't seem to get a sandy looking colour. I've packed it in for today and will try again tomorrow.

I'm open to suggestions on that......  :whistle:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 02:54:45 PM
I just thought I'd post Byron's House and see if anyone has any suggestions for the sand...   :help:

My problem now is what to do about the sand! Of course in the light down here it looks almost white, which if left that way looks blah! I've been trying colour combinations but just can't seem to get a sandy looking colour. I've packed it in for today and will try again tomorrow.
I'm open to suggestions on that......  :whistle:


The photo has come out a bit bright! Anyway, good enough for now.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 03:05:25 PM
 :thankyou:   Patricia. I've promised myself (and a few others) that I would refrain from pointing out the bits I made a right cock-up of.  :stress:     :-X     :sweat:     :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 03:32:26 PM
Many thanks Lynn, that means more than you can imagine. It's still early days for me and pastels, and I think once I get some proper paper (+ a few extras) I'll be off like a herd of turtles!   :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 03:33:34 PM
Thank you so much Susan, I feel like I'm coming to life again!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: liz on July 27, 2017, 06:56:13 PM
 :) Hi VAL, your title 'Tears, Fears & Smears' caught my eye today.  I love your green frog; the colors are simply luscious and your frog has lots of character!!!  Was that a tree frog; some are very small and green like yours.


MEA, I know you live near the ocean, but a nearby stream in your yard?  What color was the hoppers in your yard?  I grew up in Kaneohe and we had both toads in the yard and frogs in the creek and taro patch behind our house.  Frogs are smooth skin, slimy guys and more colorful than toads who normally are drier and bumpy skin and found on land more than in water.  My dad and I used to hunt frogs at night and my mom cooked frog legs and frog soup, but toads are poisonous-I guess you know that. ~Liz
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Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 07:08:02 PM
Hi Liz  :wave:    thanks for your lovely comment. Yes it is a tree frog, the young are so tiny they can sit on your fingertip. This variety can grow to 2 - 3".  I think they're quite beautiful.
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Post by: mea hamo pena on July 27, 2017, 11:35:11 PM
Big boofa frogs (greyish brown) are what the neighbors called them, Liz.  Didn't know toads were different from frogs.

Val, love Byron's house.  No idea about the sand.

aloha

mea
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Post by: Val on July 28, 2017, 03:56:31 AM
Thanks Mea. The sand actually looks like it has some colour in the photo.  :confused:    On the actual painting it looks white. Very odd.
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Post by: Happychappy on July 28, 2017, 04:22:32 AM
Val, Byron's house is beautifully done and I would leave the sand as it is, for it looks perfect in the photograph.


Patricia
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Post by: Val on July 28, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
Thank you for that Patricia, but in the painting the sandy area shows as white, not at all like the photo. I'll have to have another think about what to do with it. Meanwhile I still have to finish the trees in the distance and bring up the palms.  :painting:
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Post by: lynn p. on July 28, 2017, 01:32:07 PM
Val--Some thoughts about the sand.  I actually think it is a good color.  Maybe what is bothering you is that sand is rarely just flat and the color in sand often comes from the undulations and shadows.  You could add some movement in the sand and layer some light pinks or blues or white over each other in layers.  It is hard in pastel to have the "right color" in one stick.  Look at this artist's depiction of sand in pastel--might give you some ideas.


http://www.parduestudio.com/landscapes/oils/Slideshow/index.htm (http://www.parduestudio.com/landscapes/oils/Slideshow/index.htm)
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Post by: Val on July 28, 2017, 03:36:25 PM
 :idea:   Thanks Lynn! I'm thinking perhaps some footprints in the sand... yes, that's the ticket! I don't know why I didn't think of that before!  :doh:
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Post by: Annie. on July 28, 2017, 05:57:17 PM
Miss all this fun post. 

I love your red-eye green-frog (is that the scientific name  :2funny:).  As well as the safety pointers.  Wonder where my spacesuit is, maybe in those unopened boxes from last move.
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Post by: Val on July 29, 2017, 02:11:11 AM
Scientific name huh?  :think:   Well alrighty then..... Agalychnis callidryas.  :heeha: Pretty big name for such a little fellow!  ;D
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Post by: RebecaM on July 31, 2017, 05:16:03 AM
Love your red eyed frog Val, such vibrant colors! Maybe the cast shadows could be a bit softer for a more natural look. I too plan to draw two frog portraits (one has yellow and black spots, saw it at the zoo and the other is light green with black and brown spots). How do you find the sandpaper? I would like to try such a texture, but I'm not sure if they sell it where I live.
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Post by: Val on July 31, 2017, 06:03:13 AM
Hi Rebeca, I cannot buy any art supplies where I am. I was curious about working on sanded paper as it seems to be quite popular. So I used sandpaper that you can buy at the hardware store.

I used a sheet of 3M 9"x11" 400Grit Wet/Dry sandpaper. I've no idea how it will hold up as I am pretty sure it won't be acid free like the art sanded paper. If you look at the border of my painting, you will see the colour of the sandpaper is a dark slightly greenish black. Be forewarned it certainly does eat up the pastels, especially the pastel pencils which I used for some of the fine detail.

Hope to try some of the art sanded paper when I get north shortly. Curious to see what the difference is. Of course in the art sanded paper you can get much lighter colours as well. Hope this helps.
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Post by: RebecaM on July 31, 2017, 06:42:55 AM
Thank you for the explanations, Val. I will look for something similar at the hardware store. Even if it's not archival, I don't think such a robust paper will degrade easily over time, so chances are nothing will happen to the paintings done on it.
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Post by: Val on July 31, 2017, 06:54:37 AM
As an afterthought, if you are thinking of trying it.... you could get a lighter grit paper, 600 or even 800 grit if you are doing fine detail.
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Post by: RebecaM on August 02, 2017, 01:42:55 PM
Thank you for telling me, Val. The lightest paper I've managed to find was 320 grit, maybe I'll use it for less detailed work.
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Post by: Val on August 03, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
Fun time is over and time to get back to work. I think after the frog I'm ready for a challenge!
This time it is (  :2funny: ) a Monet. (  :2funny: :2funny: ) seriously! Maybe I'll sit my little frog on the lilies!  ^-^
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Post by: Val on October 05, 2017, 06:25:26 AM
I have finished my colour charts for the soft pastels, except for the pencils  :tongue:   I'll get to them later.   :heeha:   I want to play!   :yippee:

Will take photos of the charts and post them, simply delicious!!!  :doh: No, I didn't eat any......   :licklips:      :2funny:
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 05, 2017, 06:35:38 AM
Bravo!!! :yippee: And yes, it’s time for Val to play - can’t wait to see what emerges from your new “toys”!!
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Post by: Val on October 21, 2017, 11:48:28 AM
Well, I had a go at "bettering" two of my previous pastels yesterday..... buggered them both! The background of my lovely frog is a horrendous pile of mud, and sadly, Byron's house is a write-off. Oh well, now I get to do them both again!  :heeha:     :doh:

I have all of my pastels (sort of) sorted, so I am beginning one of Dennis' lessons. The drawing is underway as we speak.... I should have done a tracing.... as usual, my freehand tends to get away from me and it is now bigger than my biggest paper!   :faint:   We'll just have to see how much I can fit on!  :2funny:   
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Post by: dennis on October 21, 2017, 01:50:12 PM
 :2funny: :2funny:
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 21, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
Always a funny adventure, Val!!!  :2funny:
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Post by: Val on October 22, 2017, 01:04:52 PM
I may still be able to salvage something of Byron's house.... even after Hurricane Val blew it to kingdom come!  >:D I'll do it again for him anyway.

I'm going to try brushing as much of the pastel off of the frog's background and see if that is repairable. Apparently that is possible! We'll see how I make out with that one.

Anywho.... I started on my lesson with Dennis this morning, managed to get it transferred and halfway through the sky before the rain hit again and had to pack everything back inside. Thought I would give you a boo at my setup. I'm thrilled with it, but my lightweight tripod isn't strong enough to hold the box and allow me to work. Now I'll have to dig and see if I still have my old bullet proof one.  :tongue:

Here is my box set up with the protective covers on the pastels.


Here it is with my pastels sort of sorted  ::) so far.

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Post by: mea hamo pena on October 22, 2017, 02:59:26 PM
Val

Cool set up, but it still doesn't entice me to take up pastels.

aloha

mea
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Post by: Val on October 22, 2017, 03:27:19 PM
I'm glad we don't all take to the same things, it would make life pretty boring. Once I got my grubby paws on even the less expensive brands I was hooked! I love the brilliance of the colours and the feel of them laying down across the paper. I get the same sort of rush with w/c and pencil....but not with this intensity!  :heeha: I can't see me doing another painting with just pastel pencils, but one never knows. So many different papers I can't wait to have a go at as well  :yippee:     :painting:
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Post by: dennis on October 22, 2017, 04:48:39 PM
Looks fabulous. Happy painting  :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Val on October 22, 2017, 06:39:49 PM
Thank you Dennis, I love this box as it fits into my art rucksack beautifully along with my paper and a few hard pastels, and various paraphernalia. I'll have to make a strap to carry the heavier tripod, but I think I'll most likely just use it on my lap for my first few outings.
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Post by: lynn p. on October 23, 2017, 08:01:38 PM
Hi Val.  Looks like you are ready to go for plein air!!! I didn't know you had a Heilman box with easel.  I have this same set up.  I found it a bit wobbly but it works.  I went back to my Julian easel and just set my pastels on the top.  I go plein air painting tomorrow and will photo my set up.  I am so thrilled you are loving pastels.  Aren't they just grand!!!  What kind are those.  They don't exactly look like Terry Ludwigs?
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Post by: Val on October 24, 2017, 06:43:37 AM
 :heeha: It's a great box, and it got all of the loose pastels back safely. I think I have a bit of everything in there, in order to make as many colours as possible fit, I broke them in half. It's a combination of new as well as used pastels.
Brands: Terry Ludwig, Sennelier, Unison, a few Rembrandt, a couple of Richeson, a few other brands you gave me (memory lapse  :doh: ), AND some Schmincke! Quite a mishmash, but I'm already finding there are some I like better than others. I can't thank you enough for your help in starting me off.  :-* :1hug:    :clap: :clap: :clap:

I understand what you are saying about it being a bit wobbly. The tripod in the photo is a very lightweight one (which has seen better days), I have a much stronger, heavier aluminum one that I will have to dig out. Sadly it may be some time before I get a chance to go plein air as we are now in the height of the rainy season. Sometimes pours for days straight, and better days are still mostly light rain with occasional torrential downpours. A few more weeks will hopefully see us clear of it.

I look forward to seeing your plein air setup. I am keeping watch on your website as well!
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Post by: Val on October 27, 2017, 04:26:34 PM
I have the sky done and started blocking in mountains. Not going to post it yet in the lesson until it actually looks recognizable! At the moment it is in that stage where it makes you want to   :envy:   and   :run: !   But I'm   :painting: !!!     :yippee:
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Post by: Val on October 29, 2017, 11:38:48 AM
 :eek:   Yikes! First BIG lesson learned. When working with good pastels.....you really don't have to put that much on!  :doh:   Got some lifting off and cleaning up to do.  :faint:

Going to have a go on some different paper with different subject matter, I'll come back to the "black hole" in a bit.  :tongue:
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Post by: Happychappy on October 29, 2017, 04:58:51 PM
Val it is so good to experiment with the different papers and soon you will find the one that you love the most.  I did and I use it exclusively which is Strathmore's 400 Series Toned Tan. I was so sold on it that I even posted a supply to Retta before she died. Sadly, I don't think she had the time to try it out.


Patricia
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Post by: Val on October 30, 2017, 11:48:24 AM
That was so kind of you to send some paper to my 'Bella' Retta.  :flowers:

The lesson is on a Fabriano pastel paper. It was the only paper I found in Guat. city earlier this year. So far I've tried this paper, and the Canson Mi Teintes paper. I was hoping to find some of the Mi Teintes Touch, but didn't manage to find any. Next trip!  ;) ;D So far I am not very fond of the papers. I loved working on the sandpaper (even though it wasn't 'art' quality), so itching to have a go with some of the varieties I brought back. I also brought back two pads of coloured velour paper to try, a friend in England does the most gorgeous pet and wild animal/bird  portraits on the velour. So I'll have a bit of guidance there on how to use it.

There are a few small exercises I want to try, with a bit of luck I'll figure out how much pressure to use to control the amount of pastel I lay down. It's a lot like when I first started with w/c..... how much is too much!  :doh:   I can only learn by doing so time to get at it. Hopefully have something to post over the next day or three.  :painting:
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 07:33:14 AM
Here is my first go with the new pastels on velour paper. What a learning curve! There is a fair bit that needs improvement (don't say no.). I left out a few steps due to issues I have yet to sort out with the new materials, but overall I'm relatively pleased with it. Turned out much better than my 1/2 done mountain! Sorry Dennis, I'll have another go at that one. Have got to learn those misty mountains!  ;)

Cheetah painted on velour paper with new pastels... This is a second photo as I was so excited to put it up that I forgot his whiskers!  :doh: :2funny:




PLEASE NOTE: I need some straight up no holds barred critiques on this piece. I have some possible commissions in the wings so honesty is above nicety on this one please. Fire away!  :attacked:
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Post by: mea hamo pena on November 03, 2017, 08:13:35 AM
Val,
 
I have no experience with pastels, so I am not going to be very helpful here.

Colors are good.  Love the eyes with the glassy highlight.  Dots are good in that they are not hard-edged circles.

 It does seem to needs more darks to give it more dimension.  Ex.  There appears to be a depression under his face between his legs.  Should that be darker?

Hope that helps.

aloha

mea

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Post by: NHC50 on November 03, 2017, 08:32:53 AM
hey Val,
Not bad, good start.  O0 Do you have the original photo that you used? One thing is where the whiskers are attached to. If you will look at the picture you should see that it is darker where they are attached at. Also on the left leg area you colors should blend more smoothly. Remember where there is a light there is a dark. For contrast.
Hope this helps. Keep going you will get there.  O0 O0 I have problems with pastels also. I have been working on a lioness.

Nina  :flowers:
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 09:45:12 AM
 :think:   Thanks Mea and Nina,I tried a different brown in those areas, doesn't seem to be showing up in the photo. Barely a shadow!  :confused:

Nina I have a lot to learn about using the velour paper, very difficult (if not impossible) blending colours. There may be a trick to this I haven't found yet. Have you tried velour? I don't think it will be any good for landscape etc., very difficult to get good hard edges, but great for furry critters! More practice! Of course!  :doh:     :2funny:

My favourite at this point are  still the sanded papers. Still quite a few different ones to try out  :yippee: .

I'll give my critique on this painting maybe next week, see if I get any other suggestions first. Thanks again guys.  :)
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Post by: Annie. on November 03, 2017, 10:45:14 AM
As the masters would say "a nice photo doesn't mean a nice painting'.

I agree, you need more shadows.  You can imagine the light coming from the top right quadrant of the painting... you would have a bit of shawdow on the left side of the nose, left lateral face, left neck, left chest, etc.

Othewise is is excellent.  What is the red dot on the furcoat?
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Post by: MarkK on November 03, 2017, 12:37:35 PM
Excellent work! I like the colors.
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on November 03, 2017, 12:55:05 PM
Val - these new pastels Lynn introduced you to have already increased your skills as a pastel artist! This is really good! I would suggest darkening your shadows under the chin and on the chest to create more definition as Mea already said. You've done an excellent job on the fur and the eyes. I would love to see the reference photo to get a bit more perspective. But you are well on your way to a very framable painting - and a great advertisement for your skill for those commissions (and maze tov on those potentials, by the way!!)
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 03:20:32 PM
 :2funny: Annie, if you blow up the photo.... that's my signature. Could never figure out a nifty signature, so I just sign it as I normally sign my name!
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 03:21:56 PM
Thank you Mark, I've still got a huge learning curve ahead of me with the pastels and papers.... but man is it a trip! Great fun!  :yippee:
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
Ta much Sharon, Lynn has been such a godsend in helping me along, I'm sure without even knowing it! I follow her posts with the drawing from life, what a banner source they have been to me. I try them all.... most highly unsuccessful, but every subject gives me something to study. I just love her pastel work, gives me something to aspire to. Not quite ready to have a crack at portraits though!  ::) I have enough trouble drawing them!  :2funny:
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Post by: Mysti Vale on November 03, 2017, 05:37:33 PM
Val, your Cheetah is gorgeous!  I looked hard and noticed two small things.  There is a single bright dot under his left eye, and the right side of his nose should be slightly taller to match the left side.
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Post by: lynn p. on November 03, 2017, 06:48:44 PM
Val, Wow, you are so brave to try the Velour paper.   Friends have told me that it is quite challenging.  Never tried it myself.  This cheetah is beautiful and I love the vibrancy you are getting with your new sticks :)   Post the photo if you can as I agree with the others about modelling of the form.  Seems there should be more darks or perhaps only strategic lights.  Great job though!! Carry on.
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Post by: dennis on November 04, 2017, 10:11:56 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  I have never tried velour paper at all.
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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 02:29:02 AM
Reference

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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 02:30:00 AM
Thanks Mysti. I'll look into that.
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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 02:50:11 AM
Ta much Lynn, I think after my 'mountain' episode I'm a bit gun shy with applying too much pressure. In so doing, some areas could have used a bit more ooph! Perhaps I should have stayed with one of the other papers I was at least a bit familiar with initially.....but, that's me  :heeha: in for a penny, in for a pound, jump right in with both eyes closed! (http://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/50125/1507044.GIF)            (http://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/125927/1512040.gif)

The velour really is different to work with, I had thought it wouldn't be too much different than the sanded surfaces. I have learned it requires a much more delicate touch, and you can't move the pastel as you can with the sanded and regular papers. I do love the effects though. I think I may need to research it a bit more before I try the next velour painting.  :whistle: maybe... after all there is no better way of learning than by doing.  :painting:
I  really appreciate your insights.  :thankyou:
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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 02:59:38 AM
Thank you for popping in Dennis. The velour is quite interesting to work with. Some of the colours seemed to 'sink' into the paper and I had to go back over them to reinforce them. I'm thinking that is the case with some of the more shadowed areas. The colour is there....but needs another layer to bring it back. I had to go over the tear marks and some of the spots three times! The effects of this paper intrigue me, and I enjoyed working with it. I think it is just a matter of falling back and.... practice, practice, practice!  :painting: :painting: :painting:    :crazy2:
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Post by: Mysti Vale on November 05, 2017, 06:11:25 AM
Thanks Mysti. I'll look into that.

I can see that white dot is there on your reference photo.  Perhaps just dull it a tad?  I am not good at critiques.  I just think your drawing is gorgeous.
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Post by: Happychappy on November 05, 2017, 09:50:33 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Val, you have done a splendid job on the Cheetah. How I wish you could try some Strathmore Toned Tan paper, I just love it as I have mentioned before. I don't know where you are located and if you can even receive mail, for I would try to post you some to try.  I too, haven't tried Velour paper but I have heard about it. Anyway, with the few tweaks suggested, you will have a gorgeous painting ready to be framed.   


Patricia
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Post by: lynn p. on November 05, 2017, 02:11:19 PM
Val, thanks for the reference.  One thing I notice is that in the reference, the spots fade to gray and become less distinct as they move back and away from the viewer.  I wonder if you varied the black and gray in the spots to reflect distance, how that would be.  Just a thought.
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Post by: linley.plester on November 05, 2017, 05:26:09 PM
Val, you must be thrilled with all this wonderful criticism you are getting. I'm just impressed with the vibrancy of the painting. My only niggle is: in future, please don't do your signature in red! I thought at first it was a wound  :'(, then a laser focus for a gun sight :o, then figured out it was your signature! It gave me a couple of horrified moments, thinking you were making a social comment on the hunting world, or something similar... Nothing wrong with that ....I suppose. :-\ Anyway, for my sake, if you must use red for your signature, please can you not place the signature on the animal. You nearly broke my tender heart.  :2funny: :2funny:
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Post by: Val on November 06, 2017, 01:16:03 AM
There is a single bright dot under his left eye

My vision isn't that good.... I can't seem to find this elusive white dot!  :detective: Is it under HIS left eye, or on our left?
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Post by: Val on November 06, 2017, 02:49:58 AM
You are lovely Patricia.  No there is no mail here in Rio Dulce. If we get anything sent to us, it must wait until we get up to Belize. Then it would be sent by Fedex which is prohibitively expensive. Had to have a new credit card sent down to Belize and it cost US$80!!! Our dollar at the time was down 30% off the US$ which made it even worse! Saddest bit was the post box accidentally included one of our tax forms, so cost another US$50 to have it sent back up north!  :faint:    :cost:


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Post by: Mysti Vale on November 06, 2017, 03:47:05 AM
There is a single bright dot under his left eye

My vision isn't that good.... I can't seem to find this elusive white dot!  :detective: Is it under HIS left eye, or on our left?

It is under his left eye, which on the right side of the drawing.  It is so small, possibly it is just an artifact caused when taking a picture.  Here it is zoomed.  Open it full size and you should be able to see it.
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Post by: Val on November 06, 2017, 11:21:07 AM
 :heeha:     :detective: That is a tiny crumb that must have come off the pastel pencil! I was looking for a somewhat larger dot!  :doh:     :2funny:

Wow you have good eyes!  :eek: No problem Mysti, I can just pick that off with the putty rubber.
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Post by: Happychappy on November 06, 2017, 12:45:30 PM
Val, I am sad that I can't post you any paper because of the prohibitive costs involved for I would have loved you to try it.  Oh! Well, something may come up yet to enable you to get a supply. 


Patricia