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Title: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on August 04, 2014, 12:40:46 PM
Finally got thecourage up the other day to open the pastel pots! Yowza!!! Can I ever get in trouble with these!!!! (https://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/50530/1509910.GIF) (http://www.Quebles.com/Hotmail-Tools/Emoticons/)

I just smeared some colours on the paper and tried blending them to see what happens. Here's the result....


So, whadda ya think? Any chance I can expand on my non-burgeoning career?!    ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: ncwren on August 04, 2014, 01:29:07 PM
Looks like you will be having a lot of fun with them!  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on August 04, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Don't quit your day job just yet. ::)

aloha

mea
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Post by: scouserl41 on August 04, 2014, 07:12:55 PM
What an awsome rendition of "Foggy Day on the Farm" I love it.
Brian
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on August 04, 2014, 11:47:19 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Great start .... I see the beginnings of super pastel paintings .... just carry on and don't give up Val.  Remember what Dennis always tells us "practice makes perfect".      :twothumbs:   Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Tousabella on August 05, 2014, 04:19:56 AM
Looks like the area around where I live right now...smoke from all the fires!!  Keep the chalk handy, and the wet cloth nearby!! [size=78%]  Aren't they fun?  I just love pastels, and Val, when you get the 'hang' of 'em, you will too!  oooooops.[/size]
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Danielle123 on August 05, 2014, 11:27:11 AM
Nicely done Val, you will love pastels, i know i do. 
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: BeaSue on August 09, 2014, 05:02:10 PM
Are pastel pots what they sound like--pots of pastel pigment that you smear on with your fingers? Do we need a finger-painting forum segment?  :2funny:

Sounds like fun, Val. Would love to see what else you do with these.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Ray3 on August 10, 2014, 06:43:32 AM
Well done Val your pastel painting has captured the fury of a hurricane coming across the country meadow beautiful   Ray
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on August 10, 2014, 02:17:43 PM
Thanks everyone.  :)   
Mea, you have a solid point there......oh,  :eek: but wait....I don't have a job anymore!  :heeha:

Guess that gives me a leg up!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 03, 2017, 11:52:56 PM
Decided to open this thread once again and keep all of my pastel pieces in one place. Lessons will still be in their proper place, just makes it easier for me to find all of my mishaps and see where and if I've improved.  ;)

So to start off here's the infamous mixed media grapes!

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
This is one I had a go at while on anchor watch the other night. Ran out of one of the colours I was using so it will have to wait a while before it gets completed.

Pan pastel on dark paper doesn't cover very well.  :tongue: Another lesson learned.

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: EmmaLee on April 04, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
Ohhh, this one is going to be beautiful. I was in the frame shop the other day and saw a woman framing a pastel work. It was yellow flowers on black background. The contrast was stunning! Cant wait to see this one complete.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on April 04, 2017, 03:13:11 AM
I like it, Val.  The petals really jump out at you

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on April 04, 2017, 03:14:12 AM
What a glass of wine those grapes will make, Val.



aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 03:35:24 AM
Perhaps you can give me a hint here.... the bottom petal should be curling back (away). I've tried a few things but it just never looks right. Any ideas?  ???
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on April 04, 2017, 04:44:01 AM
Hmmm, Val.  I think that the far edges would have to be darkest, then a lighter strip where the curl is , then get slightly darker as the color moves to center.

Mind you - I am no expert in this.  Just seems to make sense.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: dennis on April 04, 2017, 07:02:27 AM
Mea is correct. The top of the curl reflects the most light, therefore both the inner section of the petal and the tip of the petal will be the darkest of the colour. The center of the petal will be the lightest. Look at anything round, such as a pencil, and the lightest part is at the top of the rounding. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Gita on April 04, 2017, 07:13:44 AM
Don't quit your day job just yet. ::)

aloha

mea

 :2funny: :2funny:

Val, your journey with the pastels since 2014 is a success! The Frangipani looks great already!  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 02:34:53 PM
Thank you EmmaLee, I'm still experimenting with these Pan Pastels. They work quite well on coloured backgrounds as long as the paper colour is close to the subject colour like the orangey colour I used for the tiger, and the grey/blue paper I used on the surfer and cat.

I think for most paintings it will have to be white and paint in the dark background around the subject. I think I'll be looking into the soft stick pastels, there seems to be a lot less issue with those. The sticks may be a bit messier, but when I tried some in an art shop I found they were easier to use. The pans may create less dust, but it is extremely fine like talc. Just the slightest hint of air movement gets it in the air. Even with my glasses I find my eyes feel very dry and gritty. Going on the hunt for some safety glasses that will fit over my specs.  :detective: :squareeyes:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 02:36:58 PM
Mea, that's pretty much the formula I've been trying. Maybe it's just me but just didn't look right. The one good thing about the pans is..... they rub out easily!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
Thank you Dennis, between you and Nolan that's pretty well drummed in my head...  :hammer:     :2funny:

Perhaps it is just me not seeing it properly. Next time I give it a go I'll leave it and see what you all think before I get out the rubber again!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 04, 2017, 02:45:12 PM
 :1hug: Ta much Gita, I'm hoping it will be a successful venture. It has become a bit of a toss up between w/c and pastel. Love them both... as much as my pencils... and my ink bottle... oh, and my scratchboards... my short dabble with acrylics was fun........   :whistle:         :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on April 04, 2017, 08:57:09 PM
Oh I love that you are venturing into pastels Val! I've seen the pans mostly used for backgrounds, skies and some landscapes. It's fun then to finish off with strokes of sticks. Look at eBay for those if you can have them shipped
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 05, 2017, 01:07:44 AM
Thanks Lynn. Sadly shipping costs to here are prohibitive.  :cost: Often more than the item being sent.

The only way to ensure a package arrives is by courier. We had to have a new bank card sent down... cost Cdn$185.00!!!  :faint: Art supplies are a moot issue.  :( I just have to go with whatever I can find. The one thing in my favour is.... I can be very resourceful when inspired!  :detective:      >:D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on April 05, 2017, 12:57:44 PM
Understood Val.  Here is a combination of pans and pastel pencils, if you have any.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1424957 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1424957)
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Annie. on April 05, 2017, 02:22:40 PM
I can now have a clear image of you going thru security after you had re-stock art supply during one of your visits up North  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 05, 2017, 05:27:36 PM
Thanks for that Lynn. I have been keeping an eye on an Aussie pastel artist, Janet Thatcher. Amazing wildlife!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTcnms2e9Ws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTcnms2e9Ws)

Also a few others for technique ideas. Not pans, have only found a few of those so far. If I can get hold of some good quality sticks I'll use the pans more for background. Also need to find more pastel pencils!  :detective:    :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 05, 2017, 05:29:59 PM
 >:D Oh indeed Annie! When I get to go north I really load up.... there are quite a number of people down here that may not have closets....but they do have lovely luggage!  ;)     :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Annie. on April 06, 2017, 01:23:46 PM
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on April 13, 2017, 03:13:40 PM
I still think the grapes are ready for framing - it's really excellent! And I love love love the flower painting - can't wait to see this one completed. You and pastels are well suited to each other...And one of these days, when I find the time to fly to your boat to visit you, I'll bring a suitcase filled with whatever painting supplies you need!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 13, 2017, 09:47:21 PM
Aw bless you Sharon you are a sweetheart.  :-*   Sadly our time in Belize is up. Couldn't manage to wrangle one more month...but I did try!  :whistle:   We've already had one month more than normally allowed!  :yippee:
Just love it here.  :smitten:

So we are off down to Guatemala shortly for a time but hope to be back in Belize for a month or two before we must tuck PJ away for another hurricane season. Really looking forward to some road trips though! The buses are always an adventure!  :doh:     :eyesclosed:     :2funny:
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on April 14, 2017, 12:15:16 AM
On the road with Val - another book possibility!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on April 14, 2017, 03:16:57 AM
 :2funny:    Funny you should mention that.... I was looking through our old log books the other day..... who knows, perhaps, maybe!  ;)

Almost 1/2 done on my new painting!   :sweat:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 22, 2017, 01:25:20 AM
The wifi here is too slow to upload, I wanted to put up Byron's House done with just the Pan Pastels, and then post the finished item once finished with the stick pastels.

I've been trying to review the first couple of lessons to get the hang of the sticks. Wow are they different! I think I'm going to love using these.  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Fiona on May 22, 2017, 02:00:31 PM
I know you are going to love using the pastel sticks Val  :)   There's something organic about them that I love and getting dirty is just half the fun  :)
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 22, 2017, 03:23:39 PM
You are so right Fi!!!  :heeha:   I managed to do the green apple from the techniques lesson at 'O' dark 30 this morning!  ;D   Have got too get my modem recharged! It was a real challenge as i had to use black paper.  :o Actually turned out not too too bad. Very hard to photograph though, the colours just seem to fade to almost white. Will try again later.

i got sticks!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 22, 2017, 09:54:31 PM
Trying once again.....


:heeha:       :dance:     :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Fiona on May 22, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
Excellent apple Val  :)

Isn't it amazing the difference the sticks make? And I see you are using Canson paper as well  :)  One of my favourite supports, although I seem to use the smooth side most often. Looking forward to seeing more of your pastels  :clap: :clap:   :party:

Cheers Fi
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Post by: Kathysutterlin on May 23, 2017, 01:54:05 AM
 :) Hi Val, I just read up on your pastel thread. I love what you are creating in this medium.  :smitten:  I am looking forward to that flower when it is finished. It looks like a plumeria to me. Is it?
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 23, 2017, 11:52:52 AM
Thanks Fi. The sticks are so different from the small set I originally bought, those were so hard it was a fight to get them on the paper, and to blend was a nightmare and they left scratchy marks behind. It was after that I bought the Pans. Just like painting they said, you're a watercolourist you'll love them! No I don't, they are great to a point but too many battles.

So, now i have some sticks to try and already I love them! What a difference  :heeha:   I was so pleased with my green apple yesterday I forgot to put my solar light outside to recharge....no good light to work with so had to erase my attempt at the red apple and will start again tonight. So exciting I don't want to put the box down!  :yippee: :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 23, 2017, 12:13:11 PM
Thank you Kathy. I'll most likely be starting that one over as I can't match the colours... after all the struggles with that one, doing a new one with my sticks should be a breeze!  :eek: maybe?!   ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on May 26, 2017, 04:53:51 AM
Such god news Val (that you are enjoying your new pastels).  :smitten:
with the apple. and I liked the frangipani too. Keep on posting, and of course  :painting:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: dennis on May 26, 2017, 05:21:34 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Gita on May 26, 2017, 11:02:07 AM
The apple looks great, Val! Happy to know that you are enjoying your pastel sticks.
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Post by: EmmaLee on May 26, 2017, 11:55:56 AM
Great Apple, Val. I love the colors!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 12:56:32 PM
Just wait 'til you get a boo at this!!!!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 01:43:59 PM
 :doh:   oy....     :2funny:

You all know how well disciplined I am at following lessons when there's something exciting to try......


I wanted to try some sky to see if I could do some clouds to finish Byron's house. Not quite what I was looking for but in the right direction. I needed to add more white into the bottom of the sky and decrease the value as I came closer to the horizon.

This one was done using the Staedtler Pastels, wow... far better than I had thought they'd be!  :heeha: I was worried they were going to be a bit too hard, but no worries now!  :yippee:   It measures about 3.5" square, and contains 14 colours!!!  :o    :tooth:

The thing about these pastels was the smack in the face with incredible colour!  :faint:   Vibrant?.....WOW!!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Win on May 26, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
 :yippee:    :cloud9:     They are crazy amazing to work with.  :)
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on May 26, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Val

I see what you mean about color.  Fantastic.

Nice work.  Enjoy.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 11:23:29 PM
Just so loving these Win. I keep having a lot of oooh-aaaah! moments!!! So many beautiful colours to discover.  :painting:     :painting:     :painting:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 26, 2017, 11:27:33 PM
Thank you Mea... I've a long way to go with these, but it may be a quick trip with these!  :heeha:   I get such a rush with how quickly a painting can develop! Can't wait to experiment with these alongside the w/c   :heeha: :heeha: Such a high I'm beside myself!  :2funny:

No I haven't been inhaling the dust....just soaking up the colour!  :yippee:
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Post by: Happychappy on May 27, 2017, 12:29:25 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Oh! Val, you are doing so well with the pastels and they are wonderful to work with because as you have found out, the colours are so vibrant and alive.  I enjoy the pastel pencils so much too.  Carry on the good work.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 27, 2017, 11:45:52 AM
Thank you so much Patricia... I may even get brave enough to try that Mallard Duck!  :eek:     Here I've only tried one green apple, and a knock up landscape, and already having visions of grandeur!    :2funny:

I've managed to see about half of Dennis' rock formations, and waiting (none)to patiently for his mist in the mountains lesson to open. I have so many photos of mountains and volcanoes to try!  :heeha:      :yippee:

OOOOh Patty I'm away!!!   :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on May 27, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
Val you have enthusiasm which is contagious.  Once you get into pastel work you will just love it as we all do. So carry on and don't give up for you are doing well.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on May 28, 2017, 01:56:02 AM
Val, I am so excited to see your enthusiasm for pastels,  they truly are just great and with your watercolor background you will just love the combinations.  Try the smooth side of Canson and see how you like it.  Love your color combinations. 


I want to share something very exciting I am trying with watercolor and pastels combined.  Tonja Sell creates these wonderful organic, abstract backgrounds in watercolor, often on UArt, sanded pastel paper and then tries to find a figure in the abstract and develops it with pastel using similar colors to the background.  She happens to have a free video of a green apple also.  Check her out.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 28, 2017, 02:22:31 AM
Actually Patricia I may well be contagious! I'm still fighting this nasty bug we picked up in Guat. City. A lot of people here seem to have it.  :envy:   

Here's hoping the only contagious thing is enthusiasm.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 28, 2017, 02:25:11 AM
Thank you Lynn  :heeha: Actually I just finished drawing out another idea...on the reverse side of my Canson paper! I shall definitely look into Tonja Sell, sounds fascinating.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on May 29, 2017, 09:01:15 PM
 :knuppel2: I must not fiddle, I must not fiddle....   I finished this fellow early this morning, and waited for better light to photograph. Should have hid it from sight!  :doh:   I keep at this and I'll be able to play a jig in no time!  :2funny:

I feel I've learned why most of the pastel artists I've been watching paint big. I could see by my original sketch that the only way I could have done it was with the pencils, so I made it as big as I thought feasible on my current paper. Not a total disaster, but not even close to my original perception!  ;)

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on May 29, 2017, 09:26:10 PM
Hmmm, Val. 

Don't know what else to say.  Looks like you had fun doing it.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 26, 2017, 07:50:36 PM
 :confused: Look what popped up! Better late than never I guess.

I think it was 'interesting'.... definitely fun though Mea  ;D   I'm not quite sure what happened to this little fellow, mumps maybe? Just call me "Big 'ead" !  :2funny:

I do have a couple more pictures to post, the net is still being contrary but will try to get them up later.  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 26, 2017, 08:04:42 PM
Forgot.... I am almost done with my frog! Still a bit of background to finish but the frog just needs final darks and highlights!  :clap:   Quite excited!

I was experimenting again.... I kept hearing about working on 'sanded paper'. As usual I don't have access, BUT... Lloyd does have some sheets of sandpaper! Sanded paper, sandpaper....sounds close enough to me.  :whistle: Yep, my froggy is being done on a 400 grit 9"x11" sheet of wet/dry sandpaper!

 :think: Now what was that Trev was saying about 'crazy ass' paintings....  :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on July 26, 2017, 08:40:10 PM
Val, your bird is just too fantastic and the background is so vibrant and eye catching.  Just  :smitten:  it.


As for the sandpaper .... I think you are very brave .... what would worry me is that the sandpaper would eat up my pastels in no time at all. Looking forward to seeing the outcome and your comments.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 26, 2017, 08:59:51 PM
You are right about the paper eating up the pastels. I have been told that if you use a harder pastel as an underpainting and the softer pastels on top, you don't lose as much. That will remain to be seen! I wonder what the difference is between sanded paper and sandpaper  :confused:

With the few pencils I have left, I found they just seem to disappear.... constantly have to sharpen them. I certainly won't be doing pastel pencil paintings on the sanded paper.   :cost:     :faint:

I had to pack in today, the wind is up this afternoon and my 'studio'  :boat: is just too bouncy!  :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 04:23:01 PM
My Red Eyed  Tree Frog[/b] ! Are you ready?!  :heeha:

Pastel on 3M 400grit wet/dry 9"x11" sandpaper.....


A few lessons learned here:

1) Wear protective clothing.... 

2) Make certain fan is off.   :doh:

3) Put in background first (I was too excited) Couldn't wait to paint the frog.   :nono:

4) Make sure settee fabric is covered.  :whistle:

Ok.... should be safe to start....
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on July 27, 2017, 06:40:07 PM
Such a cutie, it is, Val.  Love the bright colors.  It has personality and a "look-at-me" attitude.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on July 27, 2017, 07:23:05 PM
I love this, Val!! So bold and whimsical!  :clap: :clap: :clap: And your lessons learned are perfect! The times I don't  start with the background first are paintings I rarely finish - they're never correct. Can't wait to see what project you "hop" into next!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on July 27, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Oh! Val, this little guy is so cute and you have done such a neat job.  Just love his colours, red eye and all.  Great job.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on July 27, 2017, 09:53:11 PM
Oh Val--I love this.  The wonderful brilliance of pastels really shows through here!!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: BeaSue on July 27, 2017, 10:07:23 PM
Val! This is SO Cool! Way to go, my friend!  :yippee:  :yippee:  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 10:32:48 PM
 :thankyou: Mea, these little guys are indigenous to Central America.... but I've yet to find one. I just seem to keep coming across whopping big toads!  ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on July 27, 2017, 10:36:32 PM
We used to have whopping huge frogs in our backyard when I first moved to Hawaii.  Now I hardly ever see any.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 10:39:03 PM
Ta much Sharon, he was quite fun to do.... until I got to the background  :doh:   That will teach me, if I'm lucky.  ;)

I was actually working on Byron's house, the sky will remain cloudless as the paper just won't take anymore pastel. At least I managed to give it a bit of gradation so it does look better.

My problem now is what to do about the sand! Of course in the light down here it looks almost white, which if left that way looks blah! I've been trying colour combinations but just can't seem to get a sandy looking colour. I've packed it in for today and will try again tomorrow.

I'm open to suggestions on that......  :whistle:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 10:54:45 PM
I just thought I'd post Byron's House and see if anyone has any suggestions for the sand...   :help:

My problem now is what to do about the sand! Of course in the light down here it looks almost white, which if left that way looks blah! I've been trying colour combinations but just can't seem to get a sandy looking colour. I've packed it in for today and will try again tomorrow.
I'm open to suggestions on that......  :whistle:


The photo has come out a bit bright! Anyway, good enough for now.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 11:05:25 PM
 :thankyou:   Patricia. I've promised myself (and a few others) that I would refrain from pointing out the bits I made a right cock-up of.  :stress:     :-X     :sweat:     :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 11:32:26 PM
Many thanks Lynn, that means more than you can imagine. It's still early days for me and pastels, and I think once I get some proper paper (+ a few extras) I'll be off like a herd of turtles!   :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on July 27, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Thank you so much Susan, I feel like I'm coming to life again!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: liz on July 28, 2017, 02:56:13 AM
 :) Hi VAL, your title 'Tears, Fears & Smears' caught my eye today.  I love your green frog; the colors are simply luscious and your frog has lots of character!!!  Was that a tree frog; some are very small and green like yours.


MEA, I know you live near the ocean, but a nearby stream in your yard?  What color was the hoppers in your yard?  I grew up in Kaneohe and we had both toads in the yard and frogs in the creek and taro patch behind our house.  Frogs are smooth skin, slimy guys and more colorful than toads who normally are drier and bumpy skin and found on land more than in water.  My dad and I used to hunt frogs at night and my mom cooked frog legs and frog soup, but toads are poisonous-I guess you know that. ~Liz
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Post by: Val on July 28, 2017, 03:08:02 AM
Hi Liz  :wave:    thanks for your lovely comment. Yes it is a tree frog, the young are so tiny they can sit on your fingertip. This variety can grow to 2 - 3".  I think they're quite beautiful.
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Post by: MaryAnne Long on July 28, 2017, 07:35:11 AM
Big boofa frogs (greyish brown) are what the neighbors called them, Liz.  Didn't know toads were different from frogs.

Val, love Byron's house.  No idea about the sand.

aloha

mea
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Post by: Val on July 28, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
Thanks Mea. The sand actually looks like it has some colour in the photo.  :confused:    On the actual painting it looks white. Very odd.
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Post by: Happychappy on July 28, 2017, 12:22:32 PM
Val, Byron's house is beautifully done and I would leave the sand as it is, for it looks perfect in the photograph.


Patricia
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Post by: Val on July 28, 2017, 07:09:51 PM
Thank you for that Patricia, but in the painting the sandy area shows as white, not at all like the photo. I'll have to have another think about what to do with it. Meanwhile I still have to finish the trees in the distance and bring up the palms.  :painting:
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Post by: lynn p. on July 28, 2017, 09:32:07 PM
Val--Some thoughts about the sand.  I actually think it is a good color.  Maybe what is bothering you is that sand is rarely just flat and the color in sand often comes from the undulations and shadows.  You could add some movement in the sand and layer some light pinks or blues or white over each other in layers.  It is hard in pastel to have the "right color" in one stick.  Look at this artist's depiction of sand in pastel--might give you some ideas.


http://www.parduestudio.com/landscapes/oils/Slideshow/index.htm (http://www.parduestudio.com/landscapes/oils/Slideshow/index.htm)
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Post by: Val on July 28, 2017, 11:36:25 PM
 :idea:   Thanks Lynn! I'm thinking perhaps some footprints in the sand... yes, that's the ticket! I don't know why I didn't think of that before!  :doh:
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Post by: Annie. on July 29, 2017, 01:57:17 AM
Miss all this fun post. 

I love your red-eye green-frog (is that the scientific name  :2funny:).  As well as the safety pointers.  Wonder where my spacesuit is, maybe in those unopened boxes from last move.
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Post by: Val on July 29, 2017, 10:11:11 AM
Scientific name huh?  :think:   Well alrighty then..... Agalychnis callidryas.  :heeha: Pretty big name for such a little fellow!  ;D
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Post by: RebecaM on July 31, 2017, 01:16:03 PM
Love your red eyed frog Val, such vibrant colors! Maybe the cast shadows could be a bit softer for a more natural look. I too plan to draw two frog portraits (one has yellow and black spots, saw it at the zoo and the other is light green with black and brown spots). How do you find the sandpaper? I would like to try such a texture, but I'm not sure if they sell it where I live.
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Post by: Val on July 31, 2017, 02:03:13 PM
Hi Rebeca, I cannot buy any art supplies where I am. I was curious about working on sanded paper as it seems to be quite popular. So I used sandpaper that you can buy at the hardware store.

I used a sheet of 3M 9"x11" 400Grit Wet/Dry sandpaper. I've no idea how it will hold up as I am pretty sure it won't be acid free like the art sanded paper. If you look at the border of my painting, you will see the colour of the sandpaper is a dark slightly greenish black. Be forewarned it certainly does eat up the pastels, especially the pastel pencils which I used for some of the fine detail.

Hope to try some of the art sanded paper when I get north shortly. Curious to see what the difference is. Of course in the art sanded paper you can get much lighter colours as well. Hope this helps.
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Post by: RebecaM on July 31, 2017, 02:42:55 PM
Thank you for the explanations, Val. I will look for something similar at the hardware store. Even if it's not archival, I don't think such a robust paper will degrade easily over time, so chances are nothing will happen to the paintings done on it.
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Post by: Val on July 31, 2017, 02:54:37 PM
As an afterthought, if you are thinking of trying it.... you could get a lighter grit paper, 600 or even 800 grit if you are doing fine detail.
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Post by: RebecaM on August 02, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
Thank you for telling me, Val. The lightest paper I've managed to find was 320 grit, maybe I'll use it for less detailed work.
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Post by: Val on August 03, 2017, 10:00:58 PM
Fun time is over and time to get back to work. I think after the frog I'm ready for a challenge!
This time it is (  :2funny: ) a Monet. (  :2funny: :2funny: ) seriously! Maybe I'll sit my little frog on the lilies!  ^-^
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Post by: Val on October 05, 2017, 02:25:26 PM
I have finished my colour charts for the soft pastels, except for the pencils  :tongue:   I'll get to them later.   :heeha:   I want to play!   :yippee:

Will take photos of the charts and post them, simply delicious!!!  :doh: No, I didn't eat any......   :licklips:      :2funny:
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 05, 2017, 02:35:38 PM
Bravo!!! :yippee: And yes, it’s time for Val to play - can’t wait to see what emerges from your new “toys”!!
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Post by: Val on October 21, 2017, 07:48:28 PM
Well, I had a go at "bettering" two of my previous pastels yesterday..... buggered them both! The background of my lovely frog is a horrendous pile of mud, and sadly, Byron's house is a write-off. Oh well, now I get to do them both again!  :heeha:     :doh:

I have all of my pastels (sort of) sorted, so I am beginning one of Dennis' lessons. The drawing is underway as we speak.... I should have done a tracing.... as usual, my freehand tends to get away from me and it is now bigger than my biggest paper!   :faint:   We'll just have to see how much I can fit on!  :2funny:   
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Post by: dennis on October 21, 2017, 09:50:12 PM
 :2funny: :2funny:
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 22, 2017, 02:55:59 AM
Always a funny adventure, Val!!!  :2funny:
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Post by: Val on October 22, 2017, 09:04:52 PM
I may still be able to salvage something of Byron's house.... even after Hurricane Val blew it to kingdom come!  >:D I'll do it again for him anyway.

I'm going to try brushing as much of the pastel off of the frog's background and see if that is repairable. Apparently that is possible! We'll see how I make out with that one.

Anywho.... I started on my lesson with Dennis this morning, managed to get it transferred and halfway through the sky before the rain hit again and had to pack everything back inside. Thought I would give you a boo at my setup. I'm thrilled with it, but my lightweight tripod isn't strong enough to hold the box and allow me to work. Now I'll have to dig and see if I still have my old bullet proof one.  :tongue:

Here is my box set up with the protective covers on the pastels.


Here it is with my pastels sort of sorted  ::) so far.

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Post by: MaryAnne Long on October 22, 2017, 10:59:26 PM
Val

Cool set up, but it still doesn't entice me to take up pastels.

aloha

mea
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Post by: Val on October 22, 2017, 11:27:19 PM
I'm glad we don't all take to the same things, it would make life pretty boring. Once I got my grubby paws on even the less expensive brands I was hooked! I love the brilliance of the colours and the feel of them laying down across the paper. I get the same sort of rush with w/c and pencil....but not with this intensity!  :heeha: I can't see me doing another painting with just pastel pencils, but one never knows. So many different papers I can't wait to have a go at as well  :yippee:     :painting:
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Post by: dennis on October 23, 2017, 12:48:39 AM
Looks fabulous. Happy painting  :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Val on October 23, 2017, 02:39:49 AM
Thank you Dennis, I love this box as it fits into my art rucksack beautifully along with my paper and a few hard pastels, and various paraphernalia. I'll have to make a strap to carry the heavier tripod, but I think I'll most likely just use it on my lap for my first few outings.
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Post by: lynn p. on October 24, 2017, 04:01:38 AM
Hi Val.  Looks like you are ready to go for plein air!!! I didn't know you had a Heilman box with easel.  I have this same set up.  I found it a bit wobbly but it works.  I went back to my Julian easel and just set my pastels on the top.  I go plein air painting tomorrow and will photo my set up.  I am so thrilled you are loving pastels.  Aren't they just grand!!!  What kind are those.  They don't exactly look like Terry Ludwigs?
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Post by: Val on October 24, 2017, 02:43:37 PM
 :heeha: It's a great box, and it got all of the loose pastels back safely. I think I have a bit of everything in there, in order to make as many colours as possible fit, I broke them in half. It's a combination of new as well as used pastels.
Brands: Terry Ludwig, Sennelier, Unison, a few Rembrandt, a couple of Richeson, a few other brands you gave me (memory lapse  :doh: ), AND some Schmincke! Quite a mishmash, but I'm already finding there are some I like better than others. I can't thank you enough for your help in starting me off.  :-* :1hug:    :clap: :clap: :clap:

I understand what you are saying about it being a bit wobbly. The tripod in the photo is a very lightweight one (which has seen better days), I have a much stronger, heavier aluminum one that I will have to dig out. Sadly it may be some time before I get a chance to go plein air as we are now in the height of the rainy season. Sometimes pours for days straight, and better days are still mostly light rain with occasional torrential downpours. A few more weeks will hopefully see us clear of it.

I look forward to seeing your plein air setup. I am keeping watch on your website as well!
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Post by: Val on October 28, 2017, 12:26:34 AM
I have the sky done and started blocking in mountains. Not going to post it yet in the lesson until it actually looks recognizable! At the moment it is in that stage where it makes you want to   :envy:   and   :run: !   But I'm   :painting: !!!     :yippee:
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Post by: Val on October 29, 2017, 07:38:48 PM
 :eek:   Yikes! First BIG lesson learned. When working with good pastels.....you really don't have to put that much on!  :doh:   Got some lifting off and cleaning up to do.  :faint:

Going to have a go on some different paper with different subject matter, I'll come back to the "black hole" in a bit.  :tongue:
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Post by: Happychappy on October 30, 2017, 12:58:51 AM
Val it is so good to experiment with the different papers and soon you will find the one that you love the most.  I did and I use it exclusively which is Strathmore's 400 Series Toned Tan. I was so sold on it that I even posted a supply to Retta before she died. Sadly, I don't think she had the time to try it out.


Patricia
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Post by: Val on October 30, 2017, 07:48:24 PM
That was so kind of you to send some paper to my 'Bella' Retta.  :flowers:

The lesson is on a Fabriano pastel paper. It was the only paper I found in Guat. city earlier this year. So far I've tried this paper, and the Canson Mi Teintes paper. I was hoping to find some of the Mi Teintes Touch, but didn't manage to find any. Next trip!  ;) ;D So far I am not very fond of the papers. I loved working on the sandpaper (even though it wasn't 'art' quality), so itching to have a go with some of the varieties I brought back. I also brought back two pads of coloured velour paper to try, a friend in England does the most gorgeous pet and wild animal/bird  portraits on the velour. So I'll have a bit of guidance there on how to use it.

There are a few small exercises I want to try, with a bit of luck I'll figure out how much pressure to use to control the amount of pastel I lay down. It's a lot like when I first started with w/c..... how much is too much!  :doh:   I can only learn by doing so time to get at it. Hopefully have something to post over the next day or three.  :painting:
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
Here is my first go with the new pastels on velour paper. What a learning curve! There is a fair bit that needs improvement (don't say no.). I left out a few steps due to issues I have yet to sort out with the new materials, but overall I'm relatively pleased with it. Turned out much better than my 1/2 done mountain! Sorry Dennis, I'll have another go at that one. Have got to learn those misty mountains!  ;)

Cheetah painted on velour paper with new pastels... This is a second photo as I was so excited to put it up that I forgot his whiskers!  :doh: :2funny:




PLEASE NOTE: I need some straight up no holds barred critiques on this piece. I have some possible commissions in the wings so honesty is above nicety on this one please. Fire away!  :attacked:
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Post by: MaryAnne Long on November 03, 2017, 04:13:35 PM
Val,
 
I have no experience with pastels, so I am not going to be very helpful here.

Colors are good.  Love the eyes with the glassy highlight.  Dots are good in that they are not hard-edged circles.

 It does seem to needs more darks to give it more dimension.  Ex.  There appears to be a depression under his face between his legs.  Should that be darker?

Hope that helps.

aloha

mea

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Post by: NHC50 on November 03, 2017, 04:32:53 PM
hey Val,
Not bad, good start.  O0 Do you have the original photo that you used? One thing is where the whiskers are attached to. If you will look at the picture you should see that it is darker where they are attached at. Also on the left leg area you colors should blend more smoothly. Remember where there is a light there is a dark. For contrast.
Hope this helps. Keep going you will get there.  O0 O0 I have problems with pastels also. I have been working on a lioness.

Nina  :flowers:
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 05:45:12 PM
 :think:   Thanks Mea and Nina,I tried a different brown in those areas, doesn't seem to be showing up in the photo. Barely a shadow!  :confused:

Nina I have a lot to learn about using the velour paper, very difficult (if not impossible) blending colours. There may be a trick to this I haven't found yet. Have you tried velour? I don't think it will be any good for landscape etc., very difficult to get good hard edges, but great for furry critters! More practice! Of course!  :doh:     :2funny:

My favourite at this point are  still the sanded papers. Still quite a few different ones to try out  :yippee: .

I'll give my critique on this painting maybe next week, see if I get any other suggestions first. Thanks again guys.  :)
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Post by: Annie. on November 03, 2017, 06:45:14 PM
As the masters would say "a nice photo doesn't mean a nice painting'.

I agree, you need more shadows.  You can imagine the light coming from the top right quadrant of the painting... you would have a bit of shawdow on the left side of the nose, left lateral face, left neck, left chest, etc.

Othewise is is excellent.  What is the red dot on the furcoat?
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Post by: MarkK on November 03, 2017, 08:37:35 PM
Excellent work! I like the colors.
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on November 03, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
Val - these new pastels Lynn introduced you to have already increased your skills as a pastel artist! This is really good! I would suggest darkening your shadows under the chin and on the chest to create more definition as Mea already said. You've done an excellent job on the fur and the eyes. I would love to see the reference photo to get a bit more perspective. But you are well on your way to a very framable painting - and a great advertisement for your skill for those commissions (and maze tov on those potentials, by the way!!)
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 11:20:32 PM
 :2funny: Annie, if you blow up the photo.... that's my signature. Could never figure out a nifty signature, so I just sign it as I normally sign my name!
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 11:21:56 PM
Thank you Mark, I've still got a huge learning curve ahead of me with the pastels and papers.... but man is it a trip! Great fun!  :yippee:
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Post by: Val on November 03, 2017, 11:35:36 PM
Ta much Sharon, Lynn has been such a godsend in helping me along, I'm sure without even knowing it! I follow her posts with the drawing from life, what a banner source they have been to me. I try them all.... most highly unsuccessful, but every subject gives me something to study. I just love her pastel work, gives me something to aspire to. Not quite ready to have a crack at portraits though!  ::) I have enough trouble drawing them!  :2funny:
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Post by: Mysti Vale on November 04, 2017, 01:37:33 AM
Val, your Cheetah is gorgeous!  I looked hard and noticed two small things.  There is a single bright dot under his left eye, and the right side of his nose should be slightly taller to match the left side.
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Post by: lynn p. on November 04, 2017, 02:48:44 AM
Val, Wow, you are so brave to try the Velour paper.   Friends have told me that it is quite challenging.  Never tried it myself.  This cheetah is beautiful and I love the vibrancy you are getting with your new sticks :)   Post the photo if you can as I agree with the others about modelling of the form.  Seems there should be more darks or perhaps only strategic lights.  Great job though!! Carry on.
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Post by: dennis on November 04, 2017, 06:11:56 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  I have never tried velour paper at all.
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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 10:29:02 AM
Reference

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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 10:30:00 AM
Thanks Mysti. I'll look into that.
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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 10:50:11 AM
Ta much Lynn, I think after my 'mountain' episode I'm a bit gun shy with applying too much pressure. In so doing, some areas could have used a bit more ooph! Perhaps I should have stayed with one of the other papers I was at least a bit familiar with initially.....but, that's me  :heeha: in for a penny, in for a pound, jump right in with both eyes closed! (http://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/50125/1507044.GIF)            (http://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/125927/1512040.gif)

The velour really is different to work with, I had thought it wouldn't be too much different than the sanded surfaces. I have learned it requires a much more delicate touch, and you can't move the pastel as you can with the sanded and regular papers. I do love the effects though. I think I may need to research it a bit more before I try the next velour painting.  :whistle: maybe... after all there is no better way of learning than by doing.  :painting:
I  really appreciate your insights.  :thankyou:
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Post by: Val on November 05, 2017, 10:59:38 AM
Thank you for popping in Dennis. The velour is quite interesting to work with. Some of the colours seemed to 'sink' into the paper and I had to go back over them to reinforce them. I'm thinking that is the case with some of the more shadowed areas. The colour is there....but needs another layer to bring it back. I had to go over the tear marks and some of the spots three times! The effects of this paper intrigue me, and I enjoyed working with it. I think it is just a matter of falling back and.... practice, practice, practice!  :painting: :painting: :painting:    :crazy2:
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Post by: Mysti Vale on November 05, 2017, 02:11:25 PM
Thanks Mysti. I'll look into that.

I can see that white dot is there on your reference photo.  Perhaps just dull it a tad?  I am not good at critiques.  I just think your drawing is gorgeous.
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Post by: Happychappy on November 05, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Val, you have done a splendid job on the Cheetah. How I wish you could try some Strathmore Toned Tan paper, I just love it as I have mentioned before. I don't know where you are located and if you can even receive mail, for I would try to post you some to try.  I too, haven't tried Velour paper but I have heard about it. Anyway, with the few tweaks suggested, you will have a gorgeous painting ready to be framed.   


Patricia
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Post by: lynn p. on November 05, 2017, 10:11:19 PM
Val, thanks for the reference.  One thing I notice is that in the reference, the spots fade to gray and become less distinct as they move back and away from the viewer.  I wonder if you varied the black and gray in the spots to reflect distance, how that would be.  Just a thought.
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Post by: linley.plester on November 06, 2017, 01:26:09 AM
Val, you must be thrilled with all this wonderful criticism you are getting. I'm just impressed with the vibrancy of the painting. My only niggle is: in future, please don't do your signature in red! I thought at first it was a wound  :'(, then a laser focus for a gun sight :o, then figured out it was your signature! It gave me a couple of horrified moments, thinking you were making a social comment on the hunting world, or something similar... Nothing wrong with that ....I suppose. :-\ Anyway, for my sake, if you must use red for your signature, please can you not place the signature on the animal. You nearly broke my tender heart.  :2funny: :2funny:
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Post by: Val on November 06, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
There is a single bright dot under his left eye

My vision isn't that good.... I can't seem to find this elusive white dot!  :detective: Is it under HIS left eye, or on our left?
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Post by: Val on November 06, 2017, 10:49:58 AM
You are lovely Patricia.  No there is no mail here in Rio Dulce. If we get anything sent to us, it must wait until we get up to Belize. Then it would be sent by Fedex which is prohibitively expensive. Had to have a new credit card sent down to Belize and it cost US$80!!! Our dollar at the time was down 30% off the US$ which made it even worse! Saddest bit was the post box accidentally included one of our tax forms, so cost another US$50 to have it sent back up north!  :faint:    :cost:


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Post by: Mysti Vale on November 06, 2017, 11:47:05 AM
There is a single bright dot under his left eye

My vision isn't that good.... I can't seem to find this elusive white dot!  :detective: Is it under HIS left eye, or on our left?

It is under his left eye, which on the right side of the drawing.  It is so small, possibly it is just an artifact caused when taking a picture.  Here it is zoomed.  Open it full size and you should be able to see it.
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Post by: Val on November 06, 2017, 07:21:07 PM
 :heeha:     :detective: That is a tiny crumb that must have come off the pastel pencil! I was looking for a somewhat larger dot!  :doh:     :2funny:

Wow you have good eyes!  :eek: No problem Mysti, I can just pick that off with the putty rubber.
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Post by: Happychappy on November 06, 2017, 08:45:30 PM
Val, I am sad that I can't post you any paper because of the prohibitive costs involved for I would have loved you to try it.  Oh! Well, something may come up yet to enable you to get a supply. 


Patricia
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Post by: Val on December 13, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
 :eek: A very belated thank you Patricia. I seem to be missing so many messages, but they're all popping up now!  :thankyou:
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Post by: Val on December 13, 2017, 09:39:13 PM
At long last, my first go at having a go at Van Gogh!   :yippee:   I'm not going to say a word  :stress: about it until after I hear what you think... you are very right in thinking... hah! That'll be a first!  :2funny:   Honest opinions and suggestions if you please...


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Post by: Bill76434 on December 13, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
Looks good, I wish I could see a scene like that. I'm too realistic.
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Post by: RebecaM on December 14, 2017, 09:46:33 AM
Val, I've really enjoyed reading your art journal. I'm curious, how did the cheetah turn out? besides what the others said, I would add up that you could try to darken the upper part of the eyes to indicate cast shadow, this will create more depth in the gaze.
As for the Van Gogh inspired landscape, I love its lyrical feeling. Maybe the background should be a bit darker and some shadows added in the painting for more contrast/depth.
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Post by: linley.plester on December 14, 2017, 10:25:33 AM
Val, I love the light swirly feel of this. Wish I could paint with this kind of expression. :clap: :clap: :clap: Perhaps in time, eh?  I guess this time you didn't over fertilize your cypress tree this time?  :2funny:
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Post by: Val on December 14, 2017, 03:03:18 PM
Thank you so much Bill. Although I do enjoy drawing realism once in a while, my heart has always been more impressionistic. Many years ago I allowed someone's remarks to turn me away from what I loved and towards more realistic painting/drawing. Which until now has made me feel somewhat trapped in that vein.

Something happened very recently and I finally made sense of those remarks, and suddenly I feel free like the frigates soaring overhead. This very amateurish painting is what has finally allowed me to break free. I feel as though I have traveled decades back through time, and it is wonderful.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on December 14, 2017, 03:18:18 PM
Hi Rebeca, I shall have to have another look at those eyes. I have continued to do a bit more with the cheetah and I think it is coming along better. I won't consider it complete for a while yet. It mainly involves reworking the fur and detailing with pencils.... not a strong point of mine  :whistle: so could take a while.

As for this current creation, I decided that I really need to learn to work the pastels. I picked up one box of pastels and would not allow myself to add any additional colours other than what was in the box. I've learned a great deal with this painting and will carry it forward. Thank you for your comments, they are greatly appreciated. Onward and upward!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on December 14, 2017, 03:21:38 PM
I did manage to keep the tree within its boundaries.... but there were originally two. I somehow managed to morph them into one rather misshapen cypress!  :doh: perhaps next time I'll get it right!  ;D

This was so freeing and fun to do. Felt more in my element.  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on December 14, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
I started out by picking out one box of pastels and not allowing myself to add or change any colours other than what was in the box. By restricting myself I was forced to learn how to work the pastels.

As it turned out, I have learned a great deal about layering colour to get the effect, even if the colour is off. There is no physical blending in this painting other than by just laying one colour atop of another. Believe you me it was a challenge to keep my fingers out of it!  :2funny: The one thing I am kicking myself for is in my haste to get painting, I forgot to work on the backside of the paper for a smoother surface. I really dislike the white bits showing through.

I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly I could do this without a lot of fuss or bother. I foresee a lot more freer paintings in my future!  :painting:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on December 23, 2017, 10:13:44 PM
Love the Van Gogh!! You Go Girl!!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Cath on December 29, 2017, 02:35:05 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  :smitten:  Love your cheetah, Val, and with the idea of limiting colours to work with - the 'van Gogh' was a good result.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on December 29, 2017, 06:39:23 PM
Thank you Sharon, and thank you Cath.

Ok, here's a query for you.  >:D I like to 'attempt' most of my initial sketches/outlines freehand.  :yippee:   
However...  :doh: (there's always a however  :2funny: ), if something isn't looking right, I must fix it. Here begins the conundrum. It seems every fix seems to grow a bit more than the original. BUT...if the fix looks good, I just fix the rest by enlarging it to match. So can see where this is going. Well, in my latest attempt, the beak of one dolphin was a bit off.... you guessed it... after a couple of 'minor' fixes, my dolphins now take up almost the whole page! Good thing I started on larger paper! Didn't help!  :faint: It seems everything I freehand ends up with a dose of elephantitis!  :2funny:
I have tried using the grid method, which is fine until I get rid of the grid, I still always find some tweak that needs doing... and BLOOEY!!!  :help:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Cath on December 29, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
I know exactly what you mean, Val.    :whistle:
 
A thought :idea:   - maybe it is a case of concentrating on the tweaking too much and not on the 'whole picture' alias sketch ?
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on December 30, 2017, 11:01:50 PM
That is a possibility I suppose Cath. I do tend to work the picture as a whole and once in a while something just doesn't seem to suit...so I fix and then think...hmmm, I like the look but it is a bit out of proportion so I "fix" the rest of the picture instead. I really must get a handle on this, otherwise just take up painting murals on buildings!  :faint:   Insanity runs amok!  :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Cath on December 30, 2017, 11:34:12 PM
 ;D 
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on January 01, 2018, 03:54:57 PM
I love the Van Gogh!! It looks so fresh and spontaneous. Good for you for not blending!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on January 01, 2018, 05:36:40 PM
Thank goodness Lynn just replied because I had missed this posting of your Van Gogh, Val. 

I love Van Gogh and your painting feels right - colors, swirling shapes, hayfields.  Vincent would be proud of you.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 01, 2018, 08:58:14 PM
Thank you Lynn, it was a serious battle to keep my grubby fingers out of it!  ;D   I am truly enjoying myself with the pastels. Have to work on the pressure aspect... just a tad heavy handed. Still a bit timid with them but I'm sure that will pass.  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 01, 2018, 08:59:22 PM
Thanks Mea, as long as it isn't compared too closely I think my clouds will pass!  ;)      ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 10, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Have had a great day so far... moved back into the lagoon, much calmer and quieter. Have the pencils, pastels, and paints out today! So.....

Here is the pastel I am working on. I think you can recognize the dolphins  ;) still lots to finish up on them.  I am on a third layer for the water, not sure where to go with it from here. I still have to work in waves, crests, etc. ....Seem to be stuck, lend a hand all you pastelies!  :help:

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on January 11, 2018, 05:37:18 AM
Off to a good start, Val.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on January 11, 2018, 07:42:09 AM
A very appropriate topic for you Val.... Just what a hot cranky landlubber needs to see to cool them off. I'm looking forward to watching it develop.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 24, 2018, 10:28:22 PM
Hope it managed to make you feel a little cooler Linley  ;)

Thanks Mea.

Still finishing off the dolphins, almost done. The water however is still got me nonplussed.  ???    I posted it on another art site and the majority love the water as is  :confused: go figure! Still doesn't look right to me but I may just let the majority rule on this one.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 24, 2018, 10:51:07 PM
Ok... so, I have been watching some more of Dennis' lessons, reading and trying out the various techniques. Here is a sampling of a little scene that just sort of developed. None of it was planned or intentional...so fun when that happens.  :heeha:

The tree on the right is not done with pastel as yet. Nothing is really finished as such. Anyway, this is what I was trying .....

1/ I quickly and very loosely sketched in a few trees with the Inktense pencils (so kindly given me by Lynn), then washed over the whole with water and left it to dry. This was my test underpainting....which I forgot to photograph!  :doh:

2/ Here is where it is so far, some areas only have one layer and some have multiples. I've managed to keep my palette down to 9 colours so far.

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on January 25, 2018, 12:37:35 AM
Val,

I honestly don't know enough about pastels to say more than "pretty colors."

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on January 25, 2018, 12:53:05 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Val, I love your dolphins, great job so far.


I also like your trees but to me, the paper you used seems to be too rough for pastels, but what the heck do I know???  Just my general feeling and humble opinion.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 25, 2018, 01:40:53 PM
No worries Mea, I appreciate that you stop by for a looksee.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 25, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
Patricia, I decided to try and work on #140 cp w/c paper. Not my usual Arches so this brand is quite a bit rougher than I would normally use. Good enough for experimenting with.  :painting:

I haven't laid on any additional layers as yet except for a few areas on some of the trees. I am trying to keep blending down to a minimum so it will take a few layers yet to fill most of the tooth. I do want to try and retain some of the texture in certain areas such as the leaves on the middle tree. The sky when complete will be smooth with no texture showing, as will most of the foreground when it is complete. Still lots to add and fill out.

I think so far I've managed to show a bit of aerial perspective which I was a bit leery of. At any rate, I'm pleased with that so far. I remember trying the w/c paper when Dennis started the first classes, I wasn't keen then and I think I'm much happier with the sanded papers. I still have a couple of brands of pastel paper to try so I may yet find one of those I like. I do love the Uart sanded papers and the Velour paper so far.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on January 26, 2018, 12:42:47 PM
Like Mea, I cant make technical comments, but I love the results pastels give. Just keep posting &  :painting:... Just because we are ignorant doesn't mean we don't appreciate the paintings!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 26, 2018, 04:06:26 PM
Oh dear, Linley I hope I haven't offended anyone, if I have it was unintentional and I sincerely apologize.  :(

I will send you a PM.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on January 26, 2018, 11:48:57 PM
Of course I was joking Val.... and calling myself ignorant (of the technicalities of pastel!), not suggesting you would say such a thing. Ignorant was used in the harmless original sense, not the emotive one! dear me.... what an awful thought!  :o  :o :o :o I tried pastel a few times and couldn't stand the dust. So I never pursued the methods of getting the best out of it. That's all I meant. Since I included Mea with me in the ignorant category, I hope she will forgive me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :flowers: :flowers: as apologies to you both!!!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on January 27, 2018, 12:15:00 AM
No worries, Linley.  I AM ignorant about pastels!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on January 27, 2018, 12:20:58 AM
 :thankyou: Mea... I'm glad you are not offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on January 27, 2018, 02:22:09 AM
Hee, hee, Linley.   You are such a dear person.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 27, 2018, 03:38:10 AM
 :sweat: Whew! That's a relief.  No worries then Linley.

Crikey.... now there's two of us with a deranged sense of humour....we're all doomed!  :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on January 27, 2018, 06:47:53 AM
'Deranged' is probably right, Val.  :P
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Win on January 27, 2018, 11:37:01 AM
Love the colours you using on the tree painting Val, i think its a pretty decent job so far,  with the added layers its sure to be a winner.
 I personally am not keen on the textured WC paper for pastels and I do like the sanded paper but it sure eats up your pastels at an alarming rate. I like a semi rough smooth texture at this stage of my pastel journey.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 27, 2018, 03:04:01 PM
Thank you Win. I managed a bit more yesterday between the squalls!  :boat:   I'll see about posting it today before I do anymore.

I don't think I'll ever get rid of all of the texture on this paper  :tongue: I'll go back to using w/c paper for w/c!  ;D

When I'm through with this experiment, my next paper adventure will be back to the Mi Teintes. This time I will use the smoother back side and lightly sand it before I start. Apparently that gives it a light fuzzy texture and increases the holding power for more layers but still gives a nice smooth finish.
So much to try and to learn! Loving it!!!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 27, 2018, 08:39:02 PM
Here's pt.2   Darkened and smoothed the sky a bit more. I think one more layer to get it right. Filled in tree on the right, stuck a few grasses down in the right corner. That is going to need more work!  :nunchucks: I'll get it whipped into shape. The path is filled in more and a bit better defined.

I think I'm going to have a go at popping in some spring flowers. Quite enjoying this making it up as I go.  :heeha:

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on January 28, 2018, 12:07:58 AM
Looking good, Val.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on January 28, 2018, 01:13:36 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Coming along beautifully Val.  I love the way you have smoothed the sky and am looking forward to seeing the finished painting after you have performed your magic.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 28, 2018, 03:08:12 PM
Thanks Mea.

Patricia, I'm looking at this and wondering what will happen next! I wonder....what would Patricia do?!  :heeha:    ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on January 30, 2018, 01:01:48 AM
Val, what I would do, is just smooth the grass area a little for I think it has too much texture but that's just me.  Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on January 30, 2018, 02:26:22 PM
 ;D   I knew I could count on you for some input!  :flowers:    I am in total agreement, I'm not too fussy about all that paper texture either. I'm thinking some less textured grassy bits and ooh, ooh,  :idea: perhaps a carpet of bluebells. I'm starting to like this pastel business!   :painting:         :2funny:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Happychappy on February 01, 2018, 12:25:51 AM
Val, I too love pastels and the more you use them, the more you will love them.  You are doing so well with them which is exciting to see.


Patricia
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: dennis on February 02, 2018, 08:15:44 PM
Don't forget to let the path get lighter towards the horizon. This adds distance and leads the viewer's eye into the painting  O0
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on February 07, 2018, 09:48:51 PM
Thanks Dennis, will lighten it a bit more. I decided it's time to try something different.  I made a deal with Linley if she does Nolan's strawberries in acrylic, I'll have a go at them in pastel. I'm sure I heard her voice agree.....  :deal:   Which paper shall I try?   :-\      :yippee:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on February 08, 2018, 12:06:26 AM
Right on, Val.... Today is a cooler day, so maybe it really is a day for acrylic. Pastel "Strawberries"will look fantastic!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on February 08, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
Pastel "Strawberries"will look fantastic!

 ??? That remains to be seen Linley.  ::)    Anyway, going to have a looksee at Nolan's strawberries to see what I've got myself into! Having not done much with fruit except having consumed it, should be interesting to say the least.... wow, and they're really red...   :think:    wonder how I'll look as a redhead?   :2funny:        Here we go!   :yippee:

 :gl2: Linley!   :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:

Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Zilpa on February 08, 2018, 07:23:14 PM
I like the colours you are using. Your trees are great.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on February 09, 2018, 01:33:51 AM
Many thanks Zilpa. I still find it hard to believe they were made with a few strokes of pastel on a semi-rough surface. Sometimes less really is more, certainly saves on a lot of extra work!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on February 12, 2018, 11:13:16 PM
OH pretty color combinations Val.  Good work.  I like that you haven't overblended.  How did you like intense as a underpainting.  Only tried that a little bit but only on UArt which takes a lot of water.  Looks like you are having fun :clap:
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on February 13, 2018, 04:00:52 PM
I found a few short videos of Jackie Simmonds on youtube (related to her books) which have really switched on the light for me. Thank you for introducing me to her via one of the books you so kindly donated to my cause.

I now know where I went wrong when trying a couple of Dennis' lessons. I will definitely combine and make use of what I have learned from all sources, and shall have another go at the mountains and mist lesson... As soon as I get a day where my 'studio' isn't bouncing about too much!

I quite liked the inktense for use as an underpainting, though I think the blocks would be much better suited, as they would be much easier to lay down areas of colour. I will look into those later on. For now I want to experiment a bit more with the w/c with pastel over. I'm thinking that since I have more than a few w/c paintings that didn't quite work out, I might try the pastel on some of those.

Overall I am thoroughly enjoying my journey with pastel. Can't wait to have a go at some portraits!  ^-^    I never stop dreaming...   ;D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: lynn p. on February 13, 2018, 08:17:21 PM
Oh glad you are enjoying Jackie Simmonds, I  think she is a good teacher.  She has been very kind to comment on my pieces on Wet Canvas and was actually the person who urged me to take drawing lessons.  Good for you for being so dedicated in trying new stuff--so easy to play it say :D
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: linley.plester on February 13, 2018, 09:31:48 PM
Go Val!
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: RebecaM on February 16, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Val, I enjoy so much reading about your journey with pastels. Even thought I was a bit reluctant regarding soft pastel sticks (because of the dust and the fact that I'm allergic to it), you inspired me to try them too.
Well, I'm already using a mask with filter when working with pastel pencils, I guess that would be efficient against the soft pastels' dust too.
I like the colours that you used for both the dolphins and landscape, keep up the good work!  O0 :painting:
I have just started with pastels, but if I could give some advice maybe it will help if you add the dolphins' cast shadows by darkening a bit the water under them, that will give more volume and will make the scene more realistic. Also, some highlights in the water, on the animals and in their eyes would help too.
For the landscape, I love how your trees turned out and the contrast between their yellow foliage and the hue of the sky. I never did landscapes ,other than when I was in the primary school and had art lessons :))  but I am planning to pick up this theme soon.
I've read some interesting posts regarding landscape in soft pastels. One thing I've learned is that in the foreground warmer greens (the ones toward yellow) could be used, while in the background cooler and lighter greens (the ones toward blue) are more appropriate. Also, according to the pastelist Richard McKinley the secret of green is orange and violet is the friend This means that a red/orange underpainting can help obtaining richer greens and some subtle shades of purple can be added in the composition.
Hope these concepts can be useful Val, I never tested them but I will do so in future works.
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: MaryAnne Long on February 16, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
Hey, RebecaM, good to see that you popped in.  Thanks for the tip about the orange/red underpainting.  When I made my purple poppies, I used an orange underpainting and it made the poppies have a nice glow.  Now I know
why!  Thanks for sharing.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Tears, Fears & Smears
Post by: Val on February 16, 2018, 09:29:33 PM
Yes thanks Rebeca. The grass and the tree on left had red, and a few other colours in the underpainting. It doesn't show hardly at all in the photo. I can only just make out a few spots where it barely shows. On the painting itself it can be more easily seen in places.

I learned a lot about laying over colours/glazing from the w/c lessons with Dennis.  O0   These two mediums seem to go hand in hand.... one helps out the other.  :)