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Title: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ArtByG on July 01, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
I had created a Certificate of Authenticity to go with paintings that I sell. I went out and bought expensive fancy gold trimmed certificate paper and now my template is gone. I've looked all day for it and it's like it never existed. I have to recreate and I don't remember the wording I used or anything. So I'm truly starting from scratch. That leads to my question. Should you call a painting an original when it's based on a photograph?

I didn't know where to post this question so feel free to move it if there is a better place.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: dennis on July 01, 2014, 05:26:34 PM
Most original paintings are based on photographs. It is only NOT an original painting if you have copied ANOTHER artist's painting.

After the original painting you have produced we have the problem of copyright. If you are intending to                  give the painting away or selling it, just make sure you are not infringing the copyright of the photographer.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ArtByG on July 01, 2014, 05:29:22 PM
Thanks, Dennis, I always ask permission from the photographer. Usually, they are flattered and happy to give it.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ncwren on July 02, 2014, 05:21:14 AM
What does a certificate of authenticity do?  Is it just a selling feature?
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Lillian on July 02, 2014, 10:06:04 AM
I would like to know more about creating a certificate of authenticity.


Also, apart from that ---


I have a friend who has prints of her artwork made on canvas and they look like the real thing.  When an artist has several of these made, how does one show that these are prints and how to show the numbering?


I have a friend who liked one of my watercolour paintings and I had a very reputable company print it on watercolour paper and it looked amazing like the original.  I gave it to her for her 70th birthday.  She is thrilled with it.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ncwren on July 02, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
Makes sense for prints....1/20....I don't understand the point of it for the original-other than "hey this is the original".

I saw some messy problems reported on Etsy from buyers who were not aware that their 'original' limited edition prints with certificate of authenticity were not the original painting.  :-X

It seems that if you are not careful with the wording you can cause yourself a headache.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: nolan on July 02, 2014, 03:31:00 PM
A certificate of authenticity must contain your signature, and a photo of the painting / the name of the painting on it. If you use the name, then the same name must be on the painting as well. It just proves that the painting is not a fake. It only adds "psychological" value to the painting when you are a new artist, but if you get famous, then it adds a ton of value. Either way you win by issuing one with each painting.

If you are doing prints, it is important that you clearly state that it is a print when selling it. If you want to add a certificate of authenticity to the print, then you want to sign the print by hand (don't have that printed on) and then numbered as well so that people know they are buying one of a limited amount of prints. The less prints in the series, the more you can charge for them.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Lillian on July 03, 2014, 11:36:28 AM
A big  :thankyou:  for this info. Nolan!   :flowers:
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ncwren on July 03, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
What Lillian said!  O0
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: nolan on July 04, 2014, 03:29:49 PM
here is an example of one of my certificates so you can see the layout:
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ArtByG on July 04, 2014, 07:02:24 PM
Thanks for sharing, Nolan. Now I know how to word mine. I'll post mine when I get done. Don't worry. It won't be a copy of yours.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: nolan on July 04, 2014, 07:30:21 PM
I am happy for you to copy my wording O0
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ArtByG on July 04, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
Thanks again for your wonderful generosity!
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 05, 2014, 02:40:25 AM
Classy - impressive certificate.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ArtByG on July 06, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
Here is my new COA. it is printed on off white card stock with a gold border. What do you think?
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Iris Human on July 07, 2014, 06:03:39 AM
It looks very grand O0
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: nolan on July 07, 2014, 12:59:36 PM
Looks great :clap: :clap: :clap:
Just take out the presented to as the painting may change hands in the future
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ArtByG on July 07, 2014, 01:08:21 PM
Ok. I debated whether to put that in. I'll take it out.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Danielle123 on January 08, 2015, 07:47:36 AM
Nolan,  :confused:

1)  When we sign our painting where would we put the tittle is it directly below the signature or on the white of the paper (wc paper) which will be covered by the mat board and will not be visible?

2)  Do we have to say on the certificate that there  probably  could be copies made of that painting in the future?

3)  Is it necessary to do a certificate?

Here I have added a sample of what I though I should use for a certificate, it is by lingual  as in my area the use of both language is necessary.   It might be hard to read as this is a photo, I could not find an icon to attach a file. 
Below the picture is the text
  What do you think Nolan.   
   
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CERTIFICAT D'AUTHENTICITÉ/CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY
 
Ceci certifie que cette peinture en aquarelle est une  originale de l'artiste Danielle Potvin/This certifies that this painting is an original watercolour painting, painted by Canadian artist Danielle Potvin.
Cette peinture a été crée en utilisant/This painting was created using
Title: ​​papillon butinnant un hibiscus/butterfly on hibiscus
Size:​​8.5 X 11 po/ in
Medium:​peinture d'aquarelle/watercolour paints
Paper:  ​​Ex:   acid free paper 140 lbs, 300 g/m2, Fabriano paper clod press, 25% cotton
 
 
Ceci est une peinture originale et ne peux être reproduite d'aucune façon sans l'autorisation écrite de l'artiste/ This is an original work and may not be reproduced by any process whatsoever without the express written permission of the artist.
Toute reproduction et copie sont retenues par l'artiste/All copyright and reproduction rights are retained by the artist .
Cette peinture ne doit pas être installée près d'un mur ensoleillé et d'une source de lumière fluorescente car cela pourrait endommager la pigmentation.   Ne pas accrocher dans une salle de bain ou dans un endroit humide/This painting should be displayed away from direct sunlight and fluorescent lighting as they can fade the otherwise permanent colours.  Do not hang in bathroom or other area of high humidity.
 
 
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: May lynn on January 08, 2015, 01:12:20 PM
Dear Danielle123;

I love the fact that your Certificate is in both
official languages of Canada.  I live on the West
Coast of Canada and do not speak French but,
many of my family and neighbours do.  Nicely done indeed!!!!

May lynn
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: nolan on January 08, 2015, 01:23:42 PM
I would add a date as well Danielle.

You don't have to give a certificate but it adds value to the artwork so in your best interest to do so.
You can write the title of the artwork below your signature, but it isn't required

If you intend making copies of the artwork, for example prints, then you need a separate agreement with the buyer so they are aware of the fact. Although you don't technically have to as you retain the copyright in the artwork, it is just good etiquette.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Annie. on January 08, 2015, 03:02:04 PM
Whow, doesn't that look official!     :clap:

If you wish to have it identical in both languages, you may wish for:
 
l'artiste Canadienne Danielle ....  (it is currently: l'artiste Danielle Potvin)   :)
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Danielle123 on January 08, 2015, 04:18:27 PM
 :thankyou: May lynn.   When I was working everything add to be bilingual even emails within our division because some coworkers were French and others were English.

 :thankyou: Nolan,  I will keep your info in mind re:    "If you intend making copies of the artwork, for example prints, then you need a separate agreement with the buyer so they are aware of the fact. Although you don't technically have to as you retain the copyright in the artwork, it is just good etiquette. "


 :thankyou: Annie  thank  you for noticing      I will do the correction pronto.   

"If you wish to have it identical in both languages, you may wish for:
 
l'artiste Canadienne Danielle ....  (it is currently: l'artiste Danielle Potvin)  "         
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: ncwren on January 08, 2015, 07:07:11 PM
Nicely done!  :clap:
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Val on January 08, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
 O0
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Danielle123 on January 09, 2015, 05:23:31 AM
  :thankyou: Natalie and Val.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: mea hamo pena on January 09, 2015, 06:33:18 AM
Danielle,

Great job on the certificate.  Hope you don't mind if I use it as a model when I make mine.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Danielle123 on January 09, 2015, 06:53:37 AM
 :thankyou: Mea  no problem if you want to use it as a template.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Bellarina on January 09, 2015, 07:00:10 AM
Danielle, your certificate looks really good.
In all my framing jobs over the years I had never seen a certificate to accompany
an original painting. Only certificates for Giclee prints.  Times are surely changing.
I like that you added that the art shouldn't be hung in direct sunlight
or fluorescent bulbs.  Might I add that any light bulb gives off uv Rays
and that the art should be framed in conservation (archival) framing. Including acid free matting,
Mounting, backing and conservation glass, to ensure its longevity.  :)
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: mea hamo pena on January 09, 2015, 07:36:48 AM
Thanks, Danielle.  Of course, that means I will actually have to sell a painting.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Danielle123 on January 09, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
Mea Did you not sell one already?  Or were they all gift.   Still you can put a certificat with gift.
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: mea hamo pena on January 09, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Yes, Danielle, I did sell one drawing - a commissioned piece.

Guess I never thought to it it.  I do put the number, type of media, year, and my signature on the back of each piece, though.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Tony (ASM) on January 10, 2015, 03:58:55 AM
I've enjoyed reading this thread. Very interesting topic.  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Annie. on November 04, 2015, 04:16:22 PM
Bellarina,
What would a Certificate for Giglee print on canvas look like?
Thanks Annie
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: nolan on November 04, 2015, 04:26:30 PM
Annie, to make that an original you would either need to add a few brush stroke or at least sign the print in order to add a certificate of authenticity to it.

The certificate would then certify it as "official print signed by the  artist" or "official print completed in paint by the  artist"
Title: Re: Certificate of Authenticity
Post by: Annie. on November 04, 2015, 07:46:12 PM
Okay, thank you Nolan.
I had never heard that copy/Giglee came with any certificates, so I was puzzled.  On the contrary, I though they would simply come with a statement that they were a copy of an original painting and not the original.