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Title: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on May 31, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
I don't know if anyone would be interested, so I don't necessarily need a full class (would be nice  ;) ).

Dennis, would it be too much to ask if you could do a small segment on proper use of the dip pen and ink? I'll be posting some more work shortly....could sure use some pointers for future works.

Porfavor y gracias Senor Dennis.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: ncwren on May 31, 2014, 01:44:28 PM
If it's a live class super slow would be good.  ;D

Maybe a different color of ink?
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Happychappy on May 31, 2014, 01:52:57 PM
 O0 Good idea Val for I only have the dip pen and India Ink.  Haven't had a chance to look at the Pen and Ink site yet so don't know what the requirements are.  However, as I only have the dip pen, I think that would be great.


Patricia
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on May 31, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
Patricia, I only have the dip pen as well. I've experimented with it, but I really don't know how to use it to the best advantage. I do so love the effects of pen and ink so really want to learn the ins and outs.

 >:D Natalie....we'll really have to put the reins on Dennis for this one!  :eek: Otherwise he'll be repeating himself so many times everyone will think he stutters! :2funny:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: dennis on May 31, 2014, 06:06:21 PM
I've been using the dip pen and ink at least 80% of the time  in the pen and ink studies. The pen with the porcupine quill is the small dip pen O0 I sometime s show the plastic holder with the ink in it.
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on May 31, 2014, 06:22:47 PM
Thanks Dennis, I just spent 3 hours and managed to see the first half of the golden eagle. I couldn't help but laugh at the start when I saw you using the dip pen. I have a bit of a problem when I try and pick up on a line after I reload with ink. I tend to get a blob which of course when I try to fix it.....  :crazy2: just gets to be a bigger blob! What am I doing wrong?  :confused:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: dennis on May 31, 2014, 10:41:08 PM
Val, will explain that in another lesson O0
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on June 01, 2014, 02:05:34 AM
Thank you Dennis.  :clap:    :yippee:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Kathysutterlin on August 09, 2016, 06:31:23 PM
 :help: I have started viewing the pen and ink classes. I have my Micron pens and am comfortable using them. What I am unfamiliar with is the proper usage of the dip pen and ink. When I was watching Dennis in the elephant class, he drew for a long time without redipping. When I was experiementing with my nibs, I could barely get a 2 inch line before I would run out of ink. How do you properly dip the pen to hold enough ink? I am a total newbie to this. Is there an advantage to using dip pens over Micron pens?  :confused:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: dennis on August 09, 2016, 07:28:06 PM
No real advantage in general. However, with a good quality dip pen nib, by varying the pressure, you can control the  varying thicknesses of the line. O0
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: cyril on August 09, 2016, 07:45:25 PM
some tips as far as whatever little experience....

 a.  try not to dip the nib fully in ink to avoid blobs.
 b. fill  some ink in a small seprate  container filling the ink  max 2 mm in height.
 c.  once you dip , try to tap on the container  for any extra ink on the  nib.
 
 Finally practice practice ......is the real secret to master  O0 O0 O0

 hope this makes sense!  O0



Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Kathysutterlin on August 09, 2016, 08:33:07 PM
 :thankyou: Thank you Dennis and Cyril for your suggestions and information.
I played with my pens a little more and found that I wasn't dipping deep enough to load the nib. I was being very stingy with the amount of ink I put in my little container. Now that I have plenty of ink in my container, I was able to load the nib, I do see that I need to tap to remove the excess ink.
I like the ease and portability of the Microns but I think I'm going to have lots of fun learning to manipulate the lines with the dip pens.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Annie. on August 10, 2016, 05:28:40 AM
Your discussion give me the idea to try.  I had found my nib and holder which I used as a child to learn writing.  Wonder if still good.  The ink bottle was dry so I got a bottle of Indian ink from the art store.

Now I have to find an old desk with the pre-cut hole on the right side  :2funny:  :2funny:   :2funny:  Brings back the pain of having to switch to using my right hand at school.

Sure would be more fun then using a micron pen.

Maybe just a weeny titsy little live lesson on how to use the pen and a few tips... like how to prevent the kid, sitting behind you, from dipping the tip of your brade in the ink bottle   ::)
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on August 10, 2016, 01:31:08 PM
Annie, I used to draw quite a bit with my dip pen, somehow got away from it. Still one of my favourite drawing tools!
I did try one of my own design right after one or two lessons! It shows!!! It's an old truck posted in my Drawing Originals folder if you're interested. It was a bit of an experiment to try out a bunch of the different effects.

That's me...I get so excited when something new comes along I have to dive right in! I would recommend an old shirt (like in kindergarten)... india ink doesn't wash out!  :doh:    :2funny:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Kathysutterlin on August 10, 2016, 03:55:00 PM
Your discussion give me the idea to try.  I had found my nib and holder which I used as a child to learn writing.  Wonder if still good.  The ink bottle was dry so I got a bottle of Indian ink from the art store.

Now I have to find an old desk with the pre-cut hole on the right side  :2funny:  :2funny:   :2funny:  Brings back the pain of having to switch to using my right hand at school.

Sure would be more fun then using a micron pen.

Maybe just a weeny titsy little live lesson on how to use the pen and a few tips... like how to prevent the kid, sitting behind you, from dipping the tip of your brade in the ink bottle   ::)

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: You are so funny Annie AND Val!!!  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

I did not find any tutorials about preventing class room pranks  :P but..... I did find some basic pen and ink tutorials on youtube.  :D

Now I'm playing with the basic exercises in Dennis's intro class. The practice sheets kind of remind me of practicing scales on the piano.  ::) Repetitive and not too exciting but  good for hand and eye coordination. Soon enough, I will move on to that lovely elephant I've been eyeing since I first found PB!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on August 10, 2016, 06:02:10 PM
I started out alright with the practice sheets, but found my hand tiring before long so the more I practiced....the more wobbly my lines got!  :D Would probably have been smart to take a few breaks instead of trying to 'zip' through the whole page!  :whistle:    :2funny:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Gita on August 10, 2016, 09:57:01 PM
This is a very helpful self-made utensil for dipping ink which I made (pl. see the photos, if anybody has interest in creating this ) which is very easy to make. :smart: and I just love dipping my nib into this container   ;D :yippee: :yippee:

I used the following utensils for this:

1)   A plastic or glass funnel
2)   An empty well-washed cream container of suitable size into which the funnel fits. Take care that you can close   the container.
3)   Some filling material which dries well (for eg. material to close holes in the walls)

I put the filling material in the cosmetic container first and put the glass funnel slightly slanted into the material. If necessary you can shorten the narrow tube of the funnel. Slightly slanted, because we can insert the dip the nib slantedly while dipping. After the material had dried, I made sure that the funnel was fixed well in the container. I had to take care that the bottom hole of the funnel was well closed with the filling material so that the ink does not leak. One can also put some glue to close the small hole of the funnel tightly later on from the top after everything has dried.

ADVANTAGES:

- I can put just as much ink as needed to cover only the tip of the nib.
- You can SEE the tip of the nib and how deep the ink coverage is
- I can close the container and the ink does not dry
- the container is mobile. You can move it around on the working table and it is transportable (so left-handers have no problem  ;)). Better to transport it without ink though! There is not much of ink wastage anyway.
- While working, I put the container in a box to stabilize it even further
- You can craft as many containers you want for various ink colours



Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: dennis on August 11, 2016, 02:00:30 AM
Very ingenious :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Gita on August 11, 2016, 02:29:52 AM
Thank you Dennis - By the way, I am also very much interested in a pen and ink class!
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Kathysutterlin on August 11, 2016, 04:36:29 AM
  :heeha: This is a great idea, Gita! I love the use of the funnel.  Right now I am just using a small container with a lid like you show here. It works great but I must use a lot of ink in the container to have a good dipping level. With your method, it would require a much small amount of ink! Brilliant! :yippee:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on August 11, 2016, 04:51:27 AM
Well done Gita! Very like the old ink bottles I used to have with a small well at the top of the neck.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

There are numerous lessons for Pen & Ink here:
http://www.paintbasket.com/members/index.php?board=88.0 (http://www.paintbasket.com/members/index.php?board=88.0)

Have fun, they are great!!!  :yippee:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Annie. on August 11, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Val, I found the Bedford truck from Belize.  You sure did not have a shaky hand doing it.  Nice work.

I think people start to get shaky hand when doing repetitive exercises because they speed up without realizing it.
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Val on August 11, 2016, 05:39:25 PM
I'm glad you didn't pick out the many bad spots Annie, there really are a lot, but well worth it as I learned a lot by the time I was done!  :tongue:
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Gita on August 11, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
Thanks Val for the link! :D
Title: Re: Possibly Dip Pen Class?
Post by: Annie. on August 12, 2016, 04:35:01 AM
I have forgotten it was a medium with a number of classes.  It had not been very active on the forum recently.

The introduction class answered my general questions.  No real need for a repeat lesson.