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Title: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 18, 2013, 12:28:55 PM
Dennis and Nolan and everyone,

I was looking at some previous postings and especially the recently started challenges, where people have found an image they have found on the internet, sometimes put it here as a comparison to what they produced from it and given no indication of where the image came from. A couple of recent examples in the Feb challenge just say "here's a photo of xxxxx" for example. No indication as to whether they were personally taken, found on morguefile etc, or a site that holds copyright...

Shouldn't all these images be attributed when posted? (eg "image from www.paintmyphoto.ning.com (http://www.paintmyphoto.ning.com)" or a photo from my personal collection)

If it isn't (legally) necessary, I think it should be recommended, so that if others wish to use the image can go to the source (where available) and get it at it's original resolution, without cropping, Photoshopping etc. Also it would stop inadvertent usage of copyrighted images...

What are your thoughts.

Batman
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: Sarah (arch) on January 18, 2013, 12:41:06 PM
Some photographers are VERY sensitive about copyright and photo usage. And well they should be--it is their art form. I agree with you Batman. For the safety (legal safety)of this forum, and the safety of anyone who is painting from the photos and particularly then posting them to the web, it is essential to at least credit the source. It has been surprising to me how open some photographers have been in allowing me to paint from their photos when I request permission by e-mail. Usually they just ask a digital copy of my work, and credit for their photograph. I still will change a bit of the picture instead of painting an exact copy. Your point is well taken.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 18, 2013, 12:45:54 PM
Sarah, you covered off precisely on point 1 I was trying to make Sarah.

Point 2 was access to the original - at its original resolution,  without cropping etc, as the photographer posted it wherever. I've seen a few here are the image cropped from one published on another site, because the poster liked that particular composition from the original. We should be able make use of the image as the original creator produced it.

Batman.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: Tania on January 18, 2013, 12:48:44 PM
I had wondered about that, too! Thanks for bringing it up!
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: NHC50 on January 18, 2013, 12:59:24 PM
Yep! I agree this is a concern. I think Nolan and Dennis will elaborate on this. I have no problem people using mine. But if it is from the internet. Then I think you are right Batman.
Nina  :flowers:
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 18, 2013, 01:06:32 PM
Yeah Nina,

If I become good enough at this painting gig to sell, I don't want to lose my house for inadvertently painting something that was copyrighted, simply because someone posted an image here saying "here's a photo of a duck."

It was also part of why I suggested at the start of the latest challenge that we make the rules that the images be originals of your own, not from the Net. Maybe even only ones we post in the "Free Reference" section of these Forums.

Batman.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: Zach on January 18, 2013, 01:17:28 PM
Ya,  I agree with Mr. Bat cause then youde also have the challenge each month of finding a good spot to take a pic, and I think that would be quite fun.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 18, 2013, 01:27:16 PM
Not necessarily Zac, nothing to stop anyone from digging into their own personal library of images each month.

But that wasn't the point of this post. I was more leaning towards the legalities side with this thread. I'd hate to go broke, or someone else here to go broke, or Nolan and Dennis themselves to go broke for improperly distributing copyrighted material.

The other stuff (access to originals and personal originals etc) was secondary really.

Batman.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: Zach on January 18, 2013, 01:38:35 PM
I agree Mr. Bat (do you mind if I call you Mr. Bat?) I'll take those pictrues off of the forum so people dont get sued.  Ill get my brothers camera and go look for a good spot to take a picture of so I can put that picture on the forum
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 18, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
 O0 Zac. Happy snapping.

Oh, and just call me Batman  :2funny:
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: Zach on January 18, 2013, 02:04:36 PM
You got it.  I took the pictures, Im uploading them on the February challenge forum topic right now.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: dennis on January 18, 2013, 10:12:18 PM
I have covered the aspect of copyright very extensively at various times on the Forum.

Unfortunately we just don't have the time to police every single photograph that has been posted. I posted a comment on copyright just the other day where I mentioned that we can be sued and at worst our site shut down, and not talking about a massive fine to our account.

Please check out all the previous comments made as I cannot just keep on repeating them.

Your co-operation will be appreciated.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 18, 2013, 11:01:39 PM
Sorry Dennis, wasn't meaning to waste your time, it's just that I saw a sequence of images posted to the Feb nominations with no attribution whatsoever and didn't want anyone getting into any trouble.

The precise answer I was after (in simple non-legal terms) is under this post: Red Hibiscus  (http://www.paintbasket.com/members/index.php?topic=2098.msg28561#msg28561)

Batman.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: dennis on January 18, 2013, 11:19:47 PM
Batman, it was not a dig at you personally. I'm glad you brought it up. It is just that too many are not taking the trouble to study the information provided re copyright. This is an absolutely vital subject. Thanks for your trouble. ;)
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 19, 2013, 12:53:05 AM
Gee, I'm a pretty intelligent guy (I have a Uni degree in computer programming) and I tried going through all the readings (all 6) in the forum and in the end I could only come up with one easily understandable conclusion:

Lets all take up fishing instead.

 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

Batman.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: nolan on January 19, 2013, 11:52:18 AM
it is always best to  give credit where it is due by crediting the owner of the work. You may only post photo's etc. here that you have permission to. When you joined you agreed that we are indemnified against anything you post and are personally responsible for any contribution you make to the site. In other words if you don't give credit where it is due or post copyright material on the forum and the owner of that work decides to sue, it will be you personally that is sued and not us. View the Registration Agreement HERE (http://www.paintbasket.com/members/index.php?topic=4.0)
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: ImBatman on January 19, 2013, 12:39:57 PM
I agree Nolan. The user responsible was pretty quick to remove the items I referred to. He's a pretty young user and I don't think he was intentionally breaking the rules.

Batman.
Title: Re: Photograph Attribution
Post by: pappy on March 04, 2013, 09:35:11 AM
This may help with copyright. I know a lot of musicians the release their music under creative commons and I have produced shows using creative commons music. If your going to use a photo from the net. I highly recommend you use the Creative Commons License" Attribution" also known as CC BY. This license will allow you to use the image any way you'd like.

CC BY - This license lets others distribute, remix, tweak, and build upon your work, even commercially, as long as they credit you for the original creation. This is the most accommodating of licenses offered. Recommended for maximum dissemination and use of licensed materials.

If you use this you will not own the copyright on your painting, you must release your work under CC BY.

Myself I wouldn't use a photo from the net and sell it. But it is good to use an image for a painting you are going to keep. This way you don't get in any trouble because you used the image and didn't give credit to the person.

You can post them on any site, but state the persons name that took the photo or put a link to it.

For more information on Creative Commons read this information on this page. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/ (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/)


Hope this helps.

Pappy