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Title: Elliot bay in New Zealand
Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on October 30, 2017, 05:25:49 AM
Nolan and Dennis you live in a very beautiful country and I enjoyed painting a little piece of it in oil.
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Post by: Happychappy on October 30, 2017, 06:50:40 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Magnificent Louisa.    Patricia
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Post by: dennis on October 30, 2017, 11:31:33 AM
I agree  O0 That one tree you painted is a very young Pohutukawa Tree. They produce a very orange to bright red blooms, and are called the New Zealand Christmas Tree. Most trees are now preparing to come into bloom at the moment, although the great show will be about from the end of November. They are also mostly coastal trees. December-January they are at their best showing.

Here is a painting I did some time ago of Waiake Beach (where we used to live) with Rangitoto in the background. Rangitoto is a very young volcano that arose out of the sea about 600 years ago. I have been on the volcano and virtually only Pohutukawa trees grow on it.
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Post by: Val on October 30, 2017, 12:07:34 PM
 :heeha: Just brilliant Louisa.  O0      :clap: :clap: :clap:

Beautiful in bloom Dennis.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 30, 2017, 12:49:07 PM
Gorgeous, Louisa!
Stunning, Dennis!
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Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on October 31, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
Bragging bragging..... I did a frame for this painting myself, (with supervision from hubby) and I am very proud of myself.
Dennis your painting of the Pohutukawa tree is exquisite and I've decided to put a little bit of those flowers in my painting as well (copy cat :blush:)
Val and Sharon thank you so much for taking the time once again to look at my paintings and the wonderful comments.
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: mea hamo pena on November 01, 2017, 07:51:28 AM
Louisa

Lovely job on the frame and painting.

Exemplary work as always.

aloha

mea
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Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on November 01, 2017, 08:06:41 AM
Thank you very much Mea.  :thankyou: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bhavna on November 01, 2017, 11:42:27 AM
Beautiful painting  :painting: :painting: :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on November 01, 2017, 11:49:58 AM
Thanks Bhavna, a big hug for you. :hug:
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Post by: Happychappy on November 01, 2017, 12:26:31 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: Dennis, your painting is outstanding to say the least. What really caught my attention was the way you painted the stone wall .... it is magnificently done.   


Patricia
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Post by: dennis on November 01, 2017, 07:17:10 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Post by: TeresaM on November 01, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
Lousia this is a beautiful painting  :clap: :clap:
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Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on November 02, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
Thank you Dennis and Teresa. :1hug: :1hug:
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Post by: Win on November 02, 2017, 12:34:26 PM
Looks lovely in the frame Louisa and love the addition of it in bloom.  :smitten:
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Post by: KathyKuz on November 04, 2017, 04:12:20 PM
Louisa:  Beautiful painting.

Dennis: Great of you to show us the blooms.  Very nice.
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Post by: linley.plester on November 05, 2017, 06:01:43 AM
It's a striking painting. Makes you stop and look.
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Post by: stoney on November 05, 2017, 07:31:57 AM
Both works are fantastic.
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Post by: Annie. on November 07, 2017, 05:26:45 AM
Louisa, your painting is very beautiful, a nice calm scene.

You did wonderful with the frame. Your 45 look perfect  :clap:

I am learning to do frames.  So far mastered the 45 degree cuts, well most of the time 😕 .  Next I will learn to make biscuit joints.  Is this what you did?
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Post by: linley.plester on November 07, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
Hi Annie and Louisa: I'm not as advanced as you two. I'm learning to do mats/mounts. So far I have bandaids on 3 fingers, but no blood on the paintings YET. Quite a few more to do yet. Working from Dennis's lesson. No blood spots yet. but I have glue smears. I've heard there is a glue remover. Does anyone know if it works on mat board? :'(
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Post by: Val on November 08, 2017, 07:06:56 AM
 :'( I know that feeling of 'glue gone wrong' only too well Linley. I had two watercolour paintings and their mats ruined my a professional framer because he never took the time to do them properly. He had them for two weeks to mat, but still hadn't done them when I went to pick them up. He said he was working on them, so I waited. Big mistake, I should have just taken the paintings and mats and left. I didn't even have time to check them over carefully. I had to get back to the boat as our time was up and we had to clear the country that afternoon. Anyway, when I finally got to take a good look at them, the wrong mats had not only been mixed upon the wrong paintings, but there was glue on the mats and the paintings. Both paintings and mats were ruined. This was a highly recommended framer.

Unless there has been some major advancements in glue removal... not likely. If there is be sure to let me know!
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Post by: linley.plester on November 08, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Oh dear, Val! That was not the news I was hoping for! ::) ::) I might do some tests on a scrap of mat board and see it varnish might cover up the smears. I'll let you know the results.  :sweat: Working hard on other mats, redoing one painting, have totally wrecked another.... :tickedoff: but trying to stay sensibly calm.....Fat chance! :2funny:
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Post by: Annie. on November 09, 2017, 07:06:46 PM
Outch Val  :tickedoff:
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Post by: linley.plester on November 09, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
Question: Val.... what did you do with your ruined pictures? I hope if you ever return there you walk into his shop with them and demand he redoes them properly. :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :knuppel2: :tongue: :thumbdown: :tickedoff:
Here are my test pieces:
     
Apologies for the quality of the second photo.
I hope you can see the varnish helps if the glue mark is minor (i.e. You might be able to ignore it) but seems to emphasize and enhance the mark if the mark is really noticeable! :-\ Not really a help.
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Post by: Val on November 10, 2017, 02:26:03 PM
So sorry Linley. I held hope for us both.  :(    :flowers:

The two paintings were painted by a wonderful lady and friend who was responsible for rekindling my interest in art after over 30 yrs. abstinence. They were a special gift which I treasure. I have them safely wrapped and stored. If we ever go back to Trinidad I would never trust that framer to mat a thumb nail! I don't care how well respected he is. In his rush he also glued the paintings to the mats! They are watercolour so anything put on them to dislodge the glue from them would completely destroy the paintings. Perhaps one day I'll be able to frame them under museum glass which hopefully will help disguise the glue spots.
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Post by: linley.plester on November 10, 2017, 09:27:22 PM
   
here is a partial solution Val.... Because the varnish darkened the mat, the glue spots are now less obvious, although not completely invisible. Probably not good enough for your treasures though.
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Post by: Val on November 11, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
Your painting looks gorgeous in its mat Linley. I'll have to have another look at the mats next time I dig mine out. It might just be worth a try on the mats. I don't remember exactly what colour the mats are, but I don't think they are that dark.
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Post by: linley.plester on November 12, 2017, 02:35:40 AM
Each extra coat I gave the mat improved the disguise, Val. But if you mats are light coloured try the varnish on a scrap of card of the same colour (with glue marks of varying intensity put on first).Fingers crossed for you.
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Post by: Val on November 12, 2017, 10:15:45 AM
Thanks Linley, but I have nothing like those mats. They were custom coloured and made for the paintings. Another reason I still get riled over it!  :tickedoff:
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Post by: linley.plester on November 12, 2017, 06:00:41 PM
Since the varnish worked, could you paint several coats of thin acrylic (same colour) over the marks or the entire mat?
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Post by: Val on November 13, 2017, 01:02:08 AM
 :police:      :oops:    Linley I think we've hijacked this thread enough.... I'll send you a pm.
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Post by: dennis on November 13, 2017, 10:38:04 AM
Very careless of the framer to glue the painting to the mat (or the mats together) - it should have been taped down on the top edge only.
If the painting is for sale then the only remedy is to make a brand new mat. Any mark on it will always show up - unfortunately.


My suggestion is to have another mat made - slightly larger opening than the lower one - to cover any glue marks. You will now have 3 mat boards. This extra mat will save the presentation of the art work.


Another thing, I always make my mats exactly the same outside measurements - and to fit the inside dimensions of the frame - and then have different size openings. I then tape the top end of the painting to the one with the smallest opening. I do not have to glue the mats as they automatically adjust themselves correctly when placed in the frame. This also makes it very easy to swap mats if needed.
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Post by: Val on November 13, 2017, 01:48:56 PM
Very careless of the framer to glue the painting to the mat (or the mats together) - it should have been taped down on the top edge only.
If the painting is for sale then the only remedy is to make a brand new mat. Any mark on it will always show up - unfortunately.


My suggestion is to have another mat made - slightly larger opening than the lower one - to cover any glue marks. You will now have 3 mat boards. This extra mat will save the presentation of the art work.


Another thing, I always make my mats exactly the same outside measurements - and to fit the inside dimensions of the frame - and then have different size openings. I then tape the top end of the painting to the one with the smallest opening. I do not have to glue the mats as they automatically adjust themselves correctly when placed in the frame. This also makes it very easy to swap mats if needed.

You nailed it there Dennis, that is exactly what I was supposed to get. I think I would have been able to deal with the glued odd sized mats and even the gluing the painting to the frame (maybe), it was the glue on the painting itself that really broke my heart.
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Post by: Louisa Rautenbach on November 17, 2017, 02:28:05 AM
Thank you all for the lovely comments. Val and Linley I don't mind taking over the thread I love it. :thankyou: and a big hug to all of you :hug: :hug:
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Post by: linley.plester on November 17, 2017, 04:16:28 AM
That's generous of you, Louisa.Thankyou. I hope the discussion was of interest to some other people too. I am so impressed that you made your own frame!