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Title: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 15, 2017, 04:02:12 PM

I've been commissioned to paint two portraits for the Mark Hopkins Hotel Museum - and I'm trying not to freak out! The first is of Mark Hopkins - and here's the reference photo I get to work from. Ugh! I've also attached my initial sketch. This is 16x20. Before I begin to mask and paint would love any advice from my PB friends. I'm thinking to go with a bankers green for the background. Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom and/or encouragement. I've been procrastinating on this for awhile and must now start!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 15, 2017, 04:09:23 PM
Oh, Sharon, what an honor to be asked to do it, but also what a challenge.

I have no advice except to say keep telling yourself, "I can; yes, I can."

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Happychappy on September 15, 2017, 05:12:58 PM
Sharon, banker's green sounds great for the background. Remember you are the background queen  and you will do an outstanding job of  this portrait, of that I am certain.  Can't wait to see the finished portrait.  Patricia

Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 15, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
 :thankyou: Mea and Patricia. I think I'll start with masking the whites and then doing the background. Maybe after that the rest of it will flow better. Just trying to figure out what colors to paint his clothing!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Win on September 16, 2017, 02:51:18 AM
Congratulations on this commission Sharon.  :clap:

a greyish beige colour perhaps ?
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Mysti Vale on September 16, 2017, 04:01:41 AM
How wonderful to get this commission!  For his clothing, I think black or perhaps dark blue.  I found this page that describes how Victorian men dress.  http://www.victoriana.com/Mens-Clothing/How_to_Dress_Like_a_Victorian_Man.html (http://www.victoriana.com/Mens-Clothing/How_to_Dress_Like_a_Victorian_Man.html)
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: EmmaLee on September 16, 2017, 05:29:27 AM
Wow, Sharon. I can't wait to see this in action! I have no doubt that you will do great!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: BeaSue on September 16, 2017, 08:52:54 AM
Congrats on the commission, Sharon.

As I examined the photo, I was surprised to see the shadows under those hooded eyelids. Since you mentioned the green background (which sounds like a good idea), I presume you'll be painting this in color. I think if you take your time, you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 16, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
 :thankyou: Win, Mysti, EmmaLee and Susan! I really appreciate all of the encouraging words. Mysti - what a sweetheart you are to send me the link to the Victorian mens suits! Thank you for that! And yes, Susan - I'm painting this in color...and I've been given lots of leeway on this. But I agree, taking my time will be the key. And I think the suit is tweed - maybe brown with a black collar. The ascot/tie around is neck is a bit confusing to me...Today, I'll just do my masking...tomorrow the background...
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on September 16, 2017, 05:07:40 PM
Sharon: Congrats on your commission. What a challenge.  Your sketch looks good.  I like the idea of bankers green for the background.  Good luck. :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Annie. on September 16, 2017, 06:01:49 PM
Great news  :clap: :clap: :clap:

There is no need to freek out.  You are perfect for the job.  Just take a deep breath and approach it as a fun challenge... like one of the classes on PB.  Then step back and critically appraiser your work, or get a more objective critic from trusted PB members.  If it is good go forward, i.e. frame and deliver.  In the unlikely event that it is truly not good... just take 2 breaths and do it again.

Wish you build confidence... you are a GREAT artist.

All comments are with love.  :1hug:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: TeresaM on September 17, 2017, 02:54:48 AM
Your drawing is  very good and your background colour is spot on
I found this colour photo
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=mark+hopkins&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=minv&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=0CPl3p6A-UVTOM%253A%252CbITyeCPyFz6rMM%252C_%253BcfSLm7x7k1_USM%253A%252CMXEKNqb7U_rPRM%252C_%253Bw02BYwNX5LikwM%253A%252CpZJS9XM3apzvzM%252C_%253BNZC8vaF0Z3tOIM%253A%252CHvnWfoA_HaJUGM%252C_%253BDWb8utT8yEbsZM%253A%252C4wSChv3NIg2_QM%252C_%253BVEb0UzPZasb4CM%253A%252CXN-OBTyCjLpj4M%252C_%253BUZUfpjf6N4ZPTM%253A%252CrmaNfT9iioCX-M%252C_%253BOI-b-Vcjpl1TCM%253A%252CMJN_PurSGky-MM%252C_%253Bw5Tz_FUgn4r7wM%253A%252CbITyeCPyFz6rMM%252C_%253BLIPfiNFQ6rXJ7M%253A%252CpAQS0F8AUOq4PM%252C_&usg=__Ra9ThKM5hQaE5WTl6-lz5w2_EcI%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6k8i0hqzWAhWDwrwKHSgpDjoQ7AkIugE&biw=1280&bih=800#imgrc=OI-b-Vcjpl1TCM: (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=mark+hopkins&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=minv&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&fir=0CPl3p6A-UVTOM%253A%252CbITyeCPyFz6rMM%252C_%253BcfSLm7x7k1_USM%253A%252CMXEKNqb7U_rPRM%252C_%253Bw02BYwNX5LikwM%253A%252CpZJS9XM3apzvzM%252C_%253BNZC8vaF0Z3tOIM%253A%252CHvnWfoA_HaJUGM%252C_%253BDWb8utT8yEbsZM%253A%252C4wSChv3NIg2_QM%252C_%253BVEb0UzPZasb4CM%253A%252CXN-OBTyCjLpj4M%252C_%253BUZUfpjf6N4ZPTM%253A%252CrmaNfT9iioCX-M%252C_%253BOI-b-Vcjpl1TCM%253A%252CMJN_PurSGky-MM%252C_%253Bw5Tz_FUgn4r7wM%253A%252CbITyeCPyFz6rMM%252C_%253BLIPfiNFQ6rXJ7M%253A%252CpAQS0F8AUOq4PM%252C_&usg=__Ra9ThKM5hQaE5WTl6-lz5w2_EcI%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6k8i0hqzWAhWDwrwKHSgpDjoQ7AkIugE&biw=1280&bih=800#imgrc=OI-b-Vcjpl1TCM:)
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 17, 2017, 02:11:46 PM
Thank you Kathy, Annie and Teresa! It's wonderful having the support of my pb froends. I'm taking deep breaths and will pace myself. Masked off the whites today. Glad everyone agrees about the green background  - will paint that tomorrow. Love that photo, Teresa - thanks for finding it! Hope I can get it right the first time. I bought 300 lb paper - not cheap but I know it won't buckle!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 18, 2017, 09:51:43 AM

Masking and background are done! I think I'll work on the jacket collar next - probably black. I'm thinking a gray for the jacket itself. Also Trying to figure out what colors to use for the skin. I know - one step at a time!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 18, 2017, 11:04:19 AM
Sharon,

The background green is a very soothing shade. 

I usually have an awful time getting good greens.  I just ordered the  chromium green oxide in both oil and watercolor because it looked so good in Tezza's (Terri) painting. Anxious to try it.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Win on September 18, 2017, 11:06:30 AM
The background looks great, half the battle won  ;)   
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 18, 2017, 12:02:51 PM
Thanks mea and Win! I used hunters green for the background. Sent this to the hotel and they like it too! So yes, Win - a big battle won since I was nervous about the background. Had to use three layers of paint to get the wallpaper effect.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Happychappy on September 18, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
I knew our "background queen" would do an awesome job.  It looks GREAT so far Sharon .... I had no doubt. Am looking so forward to seeing the final painting.


Patricia
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 18, 2017, 04:02:28 PM
Aha!!!  :heeha: Sharon you are sneaky...  :sneaky: thought you could slip this one by me and my crystal ball did you?  :2funny:

Good news! Excellent job of the background.  O0   Agreed the collar should be black, the jacket perhaps a medium gray to charcoal?  You are well and away with this one. It will be positively marvelous darling, almost halfway there!  :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: njnjgirl on September 18, 2017, 04:28:04 PM
You have a wonderful start and I know this will be fabulous when finished!! You have some excellent tips from the others.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 19, 2017, 03:10:27 PM
Thank you Patricia, Val and Mary Lou!

 Patricia - I always think of you when I do my colored backgrounds!!!

Val - Glad that crystal ball is nearby! And I agree about the jacket color. I've painted the collar black and put a first layer of gray down. It's too light so once it's dry I'll add another darker layer. 

Mary Lou - your belief in me means such a lot!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Annie. on September 19, 2017, 05:53:20 PM
There you go, so far very good  :yippee:

When you are done with this one... what about van Gogh self portrait?   I dreamed you would do it well.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Happychappy on September 20, 2017, 03:11:41 AM
Sharon, whenever I see beautiful, vibrant backgrounds, I ALWAYS think of you, our background queen!!   Patricia
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 20, 2017, 07:33:35 AM
Thanks Annie! If I do well with this portrait the hotel wants me to do one of another of their early owners - George Smith. Maybe then I'll tackle Van Gogh!

XOXO Patricia!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 20, 2017, 08:05:38 AM
Wow, Sharon.  Another great opportunity.

Speaking of Van Gogh, I got to see his "Wheatfield with Sheaves" painting yesterday at the Honolulu Museum of Art.  I was really excited to see something he had actually done. Also saw two by Gaughan, a Renoir, and a Monet.

My friend, a fabulous artist, did this one of Van Gogh in an aloha shirt as part of his "Artist of Vacation" series.


He also has a great Mona Lisa with Diamond Head in the background.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 20, 2017, 04:02:25 PM
 :heeha:  Excellent resemblance! (despite the shirt, lol) Nice to see I'm not the only one that likes tacky shirts!


What a treat to see those paintings Mea! I am positively green  :envy: .
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 20, 2017, 04:43:25 PM
Seeing a Van Gogh in person is awesome - so happy you got to do that! I had the privilege to visit the Van Gogh museum years ago. And I used to have a framed poster of the painting he did of his bedroom in my own room for years. Love the aloha shirt!! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Gita on September 20, 2017, 09:43:06 PM
Great oppurtunitiy Sharon! It´s coming out so well. Looking forward to see the result!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 21, 2017, 04:13:06 PM
Thanks Gita!

Finished the collar.  Been playing around with creating charcoal gray and getting texture on the jacket. I've created the color mixing alizarim crimson with viridian green. Put a couple of light layers down. Then on the left shoulder I've tried to create a texture vs keeping it a flat color. What do you think before I continue?
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 21, 2017, 06:52:57 PM
I think the jacket needs to be darker. Coming along nicely.  :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 21, 2017, 07:16:38 PM
Val-darker than the left shoulder currently is? The right one just has a light layer on it for now.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 21, 2017, 08:44:36 PM
Personally, I like the lighter gray against the dark green background.

But you are doing well on this, Sharon.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 21, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Thanks Mea. I'll work on the right side tomorrow and see how it looks.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: njnjgirl on September 22, 2017, 03:57:19 AM
I think this is great so far.  I like the texture in the jacket.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on September 22, 2017, 05:18:18 AM
Sharon:  This is looking good.  I think you need some darker value changes to make the shoulder recede. The rounding of the collar needs to be darker.  You are doing great.  :clap: :clap: 
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Win on September 22, 2017, 08:23:37 AM
I think because you have decided to go with a grey colour a smoother finish to the jacket would be better. Personally I think the texture on the shoulder resembles the background texture too much.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 22, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
Thank you Win, Kathy and Mary Lou! I'm doing the jacket textured for this first go around. If folks think it's too much texture with the background I'll definitely smooth it out. Hope to post something later today...I'll also work on darkening the collar rounding, Kathy...
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 22, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
And here's the jacket. What do you think? Next up will be the tie. Do you think indigo blue? Navy blue? Crimson or maroon? The white spots could be a very pale yellow/cream. Would love your thoughts. 
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 22, 2017, 11:41:11 AM
Sharon,

I love the gray jacket.  It has real fabric-like texture.  And the collar looks like velvet.

Does the hotel have a logo color that you could use for the tie?

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 22, 2017, 12:17:53 PM
Thanks, Mea! Took a lot of stippling to get that fabric look. I'll ask the hotel about the color. I'm leaning towards maroon. I know black was most popular then but I do love a pop of color!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 22, 2017, 12:23:30 PM
 :heeha: The jacket looks fabulous! Sorry I didn't get back sooner, internet....  :crazy2:   it's the Rio!  ::)     ;D

A deep maroon might be nice for the tie, I think that would still be in keeping with the era of dress. Coming on famously kid  :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:

 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 22, 2017, 01:03:10 PM
Maroon would be classy!!!!

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: EmmaLee on September 22, 2017, 06:02:05 PM
The jacket looks awesome, Sharon! Very realistic. I think marron would be a great choice for the tie. A nice complementary to the green background. 
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 22, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
 :thankyou: Val, Mea and EmmaLee! The hotel said they'd like a dark gray since mr Hopkins was a sober man. I've convinced them to let me try a dark maroon first. I can always paint over it with a dark gray if they don't like it. I'll try to do this tomorrow. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 23, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
Can't wait to see this!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 23, 2017, 09:48:16 AM
So I just blocked in the maroon color to see how it looks. It would need a lot more layers of course. But I'm thinking maybe I should go with a darker gray instead since the hotel said he was a somber guy. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 23, 2017, 09:52:03 AM
Yep, a dark charcoal. A bit darker than the jacket material. That's my tuppence!  ;)
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 23, 2017, 09:54:20 AM
Glad you agree with me, Val...I'll get to work creating a darker charcoal now...
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Happychappy on September 23, 2017, 10:42:46 AM
Wow, Sharon, this is OUTSTANDING so far.  I also like the grey jacket and 'velvet collar' with the maroon tie. Judging from his photograph, the jacket which he was wearing, looked pretty "with it" for a sombre guy. I am so excited to see it finished and to hear what the hoteliers have to say.  :smitten:


Patricia
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 23, 2017, 10:55:35 AM
While we all seem to want to bright up his somber mood, I think you are right to go the route the hotel prefers.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Win on September 23, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
Sharon you have done  amazing work on the jacket it looks stunning,  :smitten:  :clap: :clap:

I think whatever colour tie you do will look good, but a deep charcoal might be better as the eye may be drawn to the tie, hard to tell
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 23, 2017, 11:09:33 AM

Took a lot of scrubbing to get out the maroon. Liking this darker version much more. Once it's thoroughly dried I'll remove the masking fluid from the tie and will work on the shirt. Glad to have all of you to run this by!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on September 23, 2017, 11:45:26 AM
Sharon:  Love the jacket.  It looks just like cloth.   :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 23, 2017, 12:55:59 PM
Yes, Sharon, the dark tie really looks good.  Oh, this is coming along great.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 23, 2017, 01:57:15 PM

And I think his bottom half is done!! Really glad I switched to the dark gray. It suits him (no pun intended!)

Question for you: between his collar and his beard it's black. Do you think it's his skin in shadows? Wanting to put a skin color down on his face and neck but this has me perplexed.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 23, 2017, 02:22:41 PM
Just went back and looked at the original, Sharon.  Definitely shadow, but not solid black.

Maybe put down a skin tone first, then add the shadow over it???

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 23, 2017, 06:03:07 PM
Yes it is a very dark shadow, but since this is a colour portrait and not black & white, you can take a bit of artistic license here. I agree, put down your skin tones and add the darker shadows gradually until you have a look you are happy with.  O0

Coming on beautifully.  :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 23, 2017, 07:40:14 PM
I'm glad we all agree it's shadowed skin color!! And the mark Hopkins loves the tie!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Happychappy on September 24, 2017, 04:35:01 AM
Yes, Sharon, looking at the black tie, it seems like it is more fitting of the gentleman. Amazing how one has to actually see different colours to get the overall look as it should be.  You are doing a wonderful job and it is so interesting seeing this portrait come to life. Almost like a puzzle.   :clap: :clap: :clap:


Patricia
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: njnjgirl on September 24, 2017, 05:33:32 AM
Sharon, the suit jacket looks fabulous.  This is going to be fantastic.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Gita on September 24, 2017, 06:15:40 AM
Absolutely fantastic Sharon. The Jacket and tie look extremely good!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 24, 2017, 06:23:56 AM
 :thankyou: Patricia, Mary Lou and Gita! It's fun doing this in pieces with all of your input and support along the way. Definitely like putting a puzzle together!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 24, 2017, 08:02:34 AM
 :yippee:     :clap: :clap: :clap:


Love your new avatar Gita!  ;D    :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Gita on September 24, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
Thanks Val, my daughter played around with an app on her IPhone with a photo of mine and sent me this. I found that this is perfect as an Avatar. 😂
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 25, 2017, 09:34:47 AM

Added the skin color base on the face, as well as below the chin (with shadows) Worked on the eyes, eyebrows and the ear. Leaving for Chicago in a hour so I won't be able to work on this again until next week. But as always, thoughts of what I've done so far are greatly appreciated!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: dennis on September 25, 2017, 09:42:38 AM
Excellent so far  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on September 25, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
 O0   Have to agree with the boss... excellent!  ;D     :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on September 25, 2017, 10:45:58 AM
Slow and steady wins the race, Sharon.

This is coming along so well.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on September 25, 2017, 11:53:36 AM
Thanks so much, Dennis, Val and Mea! I'm so glad I got the eyes done before heading to Chicago for the week. Can't wait to get home home to finish it up!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on September 25, 2017, 11:58:04 AM
Sharon:  This is coming along so well. Can"t wait to see it finished. :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: TeresaM on September 25, 2017, 04:05:07 PM
 Sharon this is exceptional so far. The jacket is excellent  :yippee:. Your work as a watercolourist is sooooooo good  :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: njnjgirl on September 26, 2017, 04:44:39 AM
He is looking good!  Excellent progress.  This is a winner!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: EmmaLee on September 26, 2017, 06:29:27 AM
He is looking great, Sharon!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Happychappy on September 27, 2017, 05:01:18 AM
The suspense to see the end result is killing me!!  ;)  Sharon, this is going to be one masterpiece for sure.   Patricia
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 03, 2017, 02:18:59 PM

Hi everyone! Back from our working trip to Chicago and then had to recover from a nasty cold I got there. Doing better now so picked up the brush and continued to work on Mr Hopkins. I’ve done the skin and the hair. Working on the beard. Do you think the beard needs to be darker? What do you think is the dark area around the lips? Is it black beard hair? Skin colored that is tan like the neck? Should the areas under the checkbone be more black hairs? Clothes are so much easier to paint than a bearded face? Would really appreciate any suggestions. Many thanks!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on October 03, 2017, 03:06:35 PM
Sharon:  He is looking great.  I think the hollow under the cheekbones should have a dark flesh instead of black.  The beard needs more dark hair under the nose and lip.  You can also shade the bottom fo the beard to show that it turns under.  Keep going.  Good job.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 03, 2017, 06:38:32 PM
Thanks Kathy! I’ll implement your suggestions and will post tomorrow
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on October 04, 2017, 03:26:40 AM
Herein lies the tricky bit, you've been playing a trick on your logical brain.  :crazy2:   You've done an excellent job so far, now you have to brake from the thought process you've been following.

While painting his coat and tie it has been relatively simple following shadings you see in his coat etc.  Now, even though you are still seeing his facial features in black and white, you need to think in colour!  :doh: As stated by Kathy, the 'shadow' on his cheeks would be a shaded skin colour. Also you'll need to try to 'see' the coloured shadings of his face to give contour and eliminate the flat look. The same with the eyes, you'll need to add a bit of colour to the eyeball to make it fit with the coloured face. Can't have black and white eyes in colour painting.

As far as his hair and beard, without knowing the actual colour of his hair.... I think perhaps I'd be tempted to add a darkish brown wash over the black and work it from there. Just a thought here.

I think I'd actually ask the clients whether anyone has information regarding his hair and eye colour.   O0
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 08:55:20 AM

Thanks for your excellent comments, Val. I’ve made the changes that you and Kathy suggested. The hotel has no idea about eye or hair color. The eyes in my painting are actually a green/gray. Not black. Hope you can see those better in the photo. It’s obvious in real time. Please let me know if I’m makkng progress on the contouring or if I need to go darker.

I’m so perplexed about the black area around his mouth. Is that shadowed skin color or black beard hair? Luckily if it’s skin color the paper is pretty hardy and I can scrub out the dark brown I’ve put there for now. I hope!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on October 04, 2017, 09:48:06 AM
Sharon:  The shading on the face is coming along good.  I would shade under the cheeks the same shade as his forehead.  Lighten the black around his mouth. Then pull some hairs over the shadow to break up the solid color.  The same on his temples. 
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 12:23:31 PM

Kathy - thank you so much for your wonderful advice and for sticking with me through this project. Your ideas have really made a huge difference and I’m starting to actually like the look of this fellow. What do you think now???
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on October 04, 2017, 01:19:20 PM
Sharon:  He is looking great.  I would just put a few strands of white hair in the beard and eyebeows. :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on October 04, 2017, 01:35:55 PM
The contouring is looking much better, I would go just a bit darker under the cheek bones and slightly soften the top edge. Soften some of the hard edges between the black and white in his hair, the same on the bottom edge of the shadow on each side of the mouth. Very slight! Then I think you may want to call it finito.  O0
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 01:41:41 PM
 :thankyou: Ladies! I’ll tackle these last few suggestions shortly and will repost. Will be very happy when I can put the paint brush down on this one!! Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on October 04, 2017, 01:43:37 PM
Psst..... it's glowing and vibrating!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 02:11:31 PM

Fingers crossed these final edits means I’m done!! So glad that crystal ball is glowing, Val!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: mea hamo pena on October 04, 2017, 03:06:03 PM
Sharon
I am away and can see this only on my phone but it looks fantastic

You have done an amazing job. Such smooth blending on the face

Aloha

Mea
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 03:20:40 PM
Thank you, Mea! Now I just have to get up the courage to show it to the hotel!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: linley.plester on October 04, 2017, 03:49:25 PM
Sharon, it's a superb painting. If I was nit -picking, maybe his right nostril isn't curved enough???? It looks a bit flat and sharply pointed?
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Mysti Vale on October 04, 2017, 04:11:20 PM
Sharon,
You have done an excellent job on this one!  I did a search and found what appears to be the image this one was cropped from, and it isn’t quite as dark.  It may help you to see some details.  I also found a portrait of him that is in color, which shows the color of his eyes that you were asking about.


Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 04:15:07 PM
So I sent this to the client and she texted back “Wow!!!  Looks great!  Fabulous!!” What a relief!

Thanks Linley - is it his right nostril or the nostril on our right side looking at the painting?

Mysti - you’re such a sweetheart!! And an excellent detective! Sure wish the hotel had sent this to me in the beginning!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Mysti Vale on October 04, 2017, 04:19:42 PM

I am not surprised your client is happy.  It looks great!   :clap:

I wish I had time earlier to search for you.  I found one more photo that shows the beard detail a little better.  I can’t upload here because it does not say it it public domain, but here is a link to it.


https://webbie1.sfpl.org/multimedia/sfphotos/AAD-2848.jpg (https://webbie1.sfpl.org/multimedia/sfphotos/AAD-2848.jpg)

Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 04:23:32 PM
Thanks Mysti! And thanks to everyone for their wonderful suggestions (especially Kathy and Val) and all of your support.

Now that Mr Hopkins is done, it’s time to work on Mr Smith. I’ll post that photo tomorrow. Need to just enjoy the moment of this gentleman tonight.

Hugs to all of you!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 04:25:09 PM
And Mysti - that’s quite a beard on that link you posted! Glad I got to paint the shorter one!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Happychappy on October 04, 2017, 04:48:25 PM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Sharon the suspense is over and you did a wonderful job on Mr. Hopkins as I knew you would.  It is just so interesting to watch you through the stages of your commissions from start to finish and you never disappoint us.  Great news that the Hotel love it, we are so proud of you. :flowers:


Patricia
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: linley.plester on October 04, 2017, 04:58:23 PM
His right, our left (nostril, that is!) But since no-one else has remarked on it, maybe it's my imagination?
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: KathyKuz on October 04, 2017, 05:16:46 PM
Sharon;  All I can say is well done.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on October 04, 2017, 07:18:32 PM
(http://d326oobcc22bax.cloudfront.net/content/50396/1508575.GIF)       Done!!! You can be extra chuffed over this one, brilliant.  O0     :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 04, 2017, 07:48:42 PM
 :thankyou: Kathy and Val - couldn’t have done this without you!

Patricia - your belief in me helps me so much with each commission I undertake. Thanks for always being one of my biggest cheerleaders!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Gita on October 05, 2017, 01:48:22 AM
It´s my turn to congratulate you on this beautiful painting, Sharon! This is a great W/C patinting! You´ve done the very best out of a black and white reference photo! Bravo! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Val on October 05, 2017, 01:51:43 AM
Off to the framer's then? You know we all want to see this one!  :heeha:
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: EmmaLee on October 05, 2017, 03:22:45 AM
I'm blown away by this painting Sharon! You did an excellent job!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 05, 2017, 07:55:18 AM
 :thankyou: Gita and EmmaLee! And I give so much of the credit to my PB Family - everyone we guided me through this process so beautifully!

Regarding the frame - the hotel has a frame they want me to use. I haven’t seen it yet. But the good news is they will get it to me and I can have my framer frame the painting properly. They will also give a quote to have a frame created for the painting to give them an option. So stay tuned!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: njnjgirl on October 05, 2017, 09:03:33 AM
The final painting is soooooo good Sharon.   :yippee: I am sure your client is pleased as punch!  Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: Mark Hopkins
Post by: Sacgal/Sharon on October 05, 2017, 09:27:12 AM
 :thankyou: Mary Lou! And thankfully they are happy!!! And I’m happy it’s done!