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Title: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: jsutterlin on July 17, 2017, 05:11:01 PM
Hey Y'all,
I have started the Let's Draw Course!  So far it's been fun but I think it will definitely take more than 28 days to complete.  I have finished the landscape scene but am planning to do it again.  I didn't watch the video all the way through the first time!   ???  There are things I will do differently the second time around.
I have posted Landscape-Take 1 anyway.  As well as my sphere (from the free beginner course) and my beginning tree.  :)
I'm looking forward to the next classes and any constructive criticism!  I could use all the help I can get!
Thank you!
Sphere
Tree
Landscape - take 1
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Val on July 18, 2017, 09:18:21 AM
 :wave: Hey JS! You're up and running and shouldn't have anymore troubles. Just give me a shout if you have any queries.    :bigwelcome:


Your sphere is good for a first go, you will find the more you practice this exercise the smoother your transitions will become.  O0

There's quite the interesting face in that tree!  ;D   All the necessary bits are there, just wait and see what happens when you draw a tree again at the end of the lessons!

Great work on the eraser drawing. It's a great way to make a quick sketch. Just mind the leaning soldiers  ;)

You are off to an excellent start.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Kathysutterlin on July 18, 2017, 10:15:25 AM
 :bigwelcome: Yay Jessica! It is very exciting to have you on the forum. You will meet many helpful and encouraging people here.  :) ;) 8)

You are off to a great start. I am going to enjoy sharing this artistic journey with you.  :1hug:

For those who don't know Jess yet, she is my lovely daughter-in-law.  :smitten:
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Mysti Vale on July 18, 2017, 10:44:12 AM
Hi, Jess!   :wave:  Nice to have someone taking the course with me.  You are off to a great start.  It is definitely more than 28 days for me, as I started over a month ago and am now on week 2 of the course.   :2funny: 

Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: jsutterlin on July 18, 2017, 11:28:38 AM
Thanks Val!  So, by the end of the Landscape scene, I already knew that I would be re-doing it, so I finished it too quickly.  It looks like the earth is sloping!!  I hope to start Take 2 in the next day or two.  ;)

Love you Kathy!   :smitten:

Hello Mysti!  I actually looked at your forum the other day and found it very helpful!  I love seeing the hand drawing and digital drawing comparison. 

 :thankyou:
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Happychappy on July 18, 2017, 12:44:41 PM
 :welcome:  Jessica to our Paint Basket family. It is so lovely to have you join us.


You have got off to a good start and as Val said, wait until you finish the course, you will be amazed at your progress. 


Val, I too, see a face in Jessica's tree, two huge eyes, a longish nose and smiling mouth. 


Don't mind us Jessica, there are a few of us members who "see" faces and things in the drawings of others.


Looking forward to seeing your progress as time goes on.


Patricia



Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Win on July 18, 2017, 02:16:49 PM
 :welcome: Jessica, A great start on your drawings  :clap:   Im sure you are going to enjoy the lessons, especially when you realise you can accomplish more than you thought you ever could. Have fun  , looking forward to seeing your progress.
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 18, 2017, 04:17:04 PM
Jessica,

Welcome to the Paint Basket family.  So happy to have you join us.

I'm sure your mother-in-law will tell you the key to successful drawing is to not be afraid of the dark!  Dark against light makes things pop.

Keep at it.  Wait til you compare your year ! tree against your practice tree.  You should see a world of difference.

aloha

mea

Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: nolan on July 19, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
:bigwelcome: to the Paint Basket family Jessica, it's great to have you join us :clap: :clap: :clap:

You are off to a good start, I especially like your erased landscape :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: jsutterlin on July 20, 2017, 09:25:20 PM
Thank you all for your encouragement! 

Patricia & Val - I'm not sure I see the face, but now that you have mentioned it, I will keep an eye on trees and see what faces I can find!

Mea - Thank you for the tip.  I'll do my best to remember that!

Win - Thank you!  So far, I am!

Val - Kathy explained what leaning soldiers meant!  On this second go around, I tried to give the trees a bit more diversity but it was harder to do the tree reflection!  The reflection got a bit wonky on me.  I'll just keep practicing.

Here is Landscape - Take 2

On to the next class!
Jess
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Mysti Vale on July 21, 2017, 01:26:46 AM
Hi, Jess. 

I can see the improvement you have made just in one go.  You are doing great!   :clap:  :clap:  :clap:
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Kathysutterlin on July 21, 2017, 06:12:59 AM
 :clap: Hey Jess this looks great. Can't wait to see the next drawing.  :yippee:
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 21, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Jess,

You are making great progress.

I have practiced this scene several times and found that if you hold the paper sideways and do it like the results of a polygraph or EKG, you can get the trees and their reflections to look more alike.  Hope that made sense.

I always refer to this exercise as "instant artist" because it was the first drawing I ever did that looked artworthy.

I am enjoying watching you delve into this wonderful hobby.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Val on July 21, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
Thanks Kathy, it's always handy to have a translator onboard!  :2funny:

Your second go looks great Jess.  O0   Good job knocking those leaning soldiers out of alignment!  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: jsutterlin on July 23, 2017, 08:01:11 PM
Thank you Mea!  I understand what you're talking about and will keep that in mind.  I may try this one again in the future!

I finished the Day 3 classes and here is my tonal chart.  I have to say I struggled with this one.  I had to do some erasing in order for the lights to graduate properly into the darks.  I know Nolan did that in the free pencil intro class, but it seems like if you are going to use this as a chart by which to find a shade, the chart should have the shade that the pencil actually produces.  Does that make sense?  I had issues with some of the "lighter pencils" shading darker than the "darker pencils".  Specifically my HB pencil shaded darker than B and B darker than 2B.  You can still see where HB is darker than B.  It looks more like a 2B!  I didn't press hard or do anything different.  It must just be the pencils I'm using?
Thanks in advance for your help!

Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 24, 2017, 12:14:04 AM
Jess,

You are right to want to make this chart useful to you later by getting the right tones from the pencils.

I have tried a few different pencil brands and found TOMBOW MONO (for high precession drafting) to be the best with the most consistent tones. (Nolan uses these, too).  You can get them on AMAZON.  A 12-pencil set (4H to 6B) is less than $15  with PRIME shipping.

Your charts look good.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Mysti Vale on July 24, 2017, 01:20:27 AM
Hi, Jess.

Your chart looks great!  Mea is right about wanting to make sure your chart is useful.  On the part you erased, can you replicate the color accurately on another sheet of paper with that pencil?  if so, then it should be fine.

Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Happychappy on July 24, 2017, 03:42:01 AM
Jess, you are doing well and your tonal chart will come in handy for sure. Having said that, when drawing, I always struggled with tonal changes for I seemed to be too timid and never wanted to put too much pressure on the pencils but what really helped me tremendously and which I tell everyone, is when Val suggested that I use a darker pencil to achieve the desired tonal change. Such an easy solution but one doesn't always think of that when you are in a situation. However, it was such a valuable lesson and one which I will never forget for it has stood me in good stead ever since and my hope is that if ever you are in that situation, think about Val's suggestion. 


Patricia
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Kathysutterlin on July 24, 2017, 06:13:51 AM
Hi Jess, the top chart looks pretty good. The two lower charts don't show the gradation of color as well. It might be the pencils. Bring them over and we can test them together. I agree with Mea that the Tombows are great pencils. You and I talked about them a bit. You can test my Tombows  against yours and see what feels best for you 😃
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: nolan on July 24, 2017, 02:12:00 PM
your second erased landscape looks great - big improvement

The first two lines of tonal chart are good but the last one is not gradual enough.

I know it is a lot of work but don't be afraid to do several tonal charts until you are able to do it perfectly. The tonal chart teaches you control over your pencils. You learn to switch pencils for different tonal values as well as press harder and softer. It also trains your eye to spot tonal value changes. These abilities is honestly 90% of pencil drawing.

If you can draw a perfect tonal chart every time then you will be able to draw almost anything perfectly going forward.
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: jsutterlin on July 24, 2017, 08:13:27 PM
Thank you all for the helpful suggestions!
I am going to do like Nolan suggested and do another tonal chart... or ten.   ???

Kathy - I'd like to try out the tombow pencils and compare them to what I use.  I have a set of faber-castell pencils.
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: jsutterlin on July 24, 2017, 09:37:38 PM
Ok.. here is another try.  I think it turned out a bit better!!  Thoughts?  Should i do another?

Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 24, 2017, 10:37:17 PM
Good, Jess.  Much smoother.

I would wait until you have another set of pencils to try.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Val on July 25, 2017, 02:04:05 AM
Well done Jess! All the values are there, try it without the blocks, just the main outline. All it needs is a bit more smoothing out and you're there!  :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Happychappy on July 25, 2017, 03:15:56 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  Much better Jess.


Patricia
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: Win on July 25, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
keep going Jess until you master the transition from one pencil to the next without creating a line to indicate the change, you nearly there.
 I have Faber Castel Graphite pencils  (I started with them) but I dont find them as smooth as staedtler or some of the other brands. I have not tried Tombows but I think they are also smoother to work with.
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: jsutterlin on July 25, 2017, 08:03:34 PM
I did notice the third line of the tonal chart had some blockiness (is that a word?) to it,but was so excited I had the shading down that I didn't want to mess with it!!

Thank you all for the critique!  If I didn't have that I probably would have just moved on.  I will try again!  Third times the charm!!!
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: mea hamo pena on July 25, 2017, 10:04:59 PM
As a former English teacher, I approve of the term "blockiness."  I like it - it says what it means.

Jess, be proud of the work you are doing. Keep at it.

aloha

mea
Title: Re: Let's Draw Course - JSutterlin
Post by: nolan on July 31, 2017, 12:57:39 PM
what a difference - fantastic :yippee: :yippee: :yippee: