Raw Sienna

[Tousabella]

Dennis,  I do not have this color so will burnt sienna and cad. yellow come out about the same? Somehow, it's 'leaning' toward the olive green. LOL

[Tousabella]

I didn't explain that very well.....I added some b. Umber...nope....then back to b s and c y and umb. that's how I got the olive...nice tree color, but not good for the clouds in #18.
I need the yellowy brownish of R.S. 
My brain does not compute all the colors put together to make something else as each brand has different colors.
Thanks

[Leana]

Morning Tousabella - Raw Sienna is a darker version of Yellow Ochre.  If you had to mix Yellow Ochre from scratch...in other words if you are using the 6 colour system  of Cad. Red, Alizarin Crimson,  Cad. Yellow, Lemon Yellow,  Ultramarine and Cerulean ... you would go about it this way. 

Take Alizarin Crimson and add some Ultramarine to make a purple...which is complimentary to Cad. Yellow.  Then take some Cad. Yellow...ad little bit of the complimentary purple... until you get yellow ochre... then from there if you add some more complimentary purple to this mix...you will get RAW Sienna... should you take it a step further and mix more complimentary purple in the last mix...you will get Raw Umber....voilla 

Hope I explained in an understandable way... test it and you will see how amazing it is creating these above mentioned 3 colours from your 6 colour system = awesome.

Good luck and let us know how your experience with the abovementioned went. 

Edit and error corrected>  I typed  Burnt Sienna and it should read Raw Sienna (apologies  )

[dennis]

Raw Sienna is one of the primary colours and it is special in the sense that it does not easily turn green when blue is added.

[Leana]

Dennis - I am  by

Raw Sienna is one of the primary colours

If Raw Sienna is one of the primary colours, which blue and which red would then go along with it  I was under the impression that the 3 primaries are Cadmium Red, Ultramarine Blue and Cadmium Yellow ...or are there different combinations for the 3 primaries eg as per above as a group of primaries... then Alizarin Crimson, Phthalo Blue, Lemon Yellow as a group... then another group of Raw Sienna, (but which red and blue would then go along with it  )

[Lillian]

Leana and Dennis, this is good information to keep in mind, if I can keep it in my mind!      

I'll make a note of it.

Leana, you can save the embarassment after posting a typo if you go back to the post and click the "Modify" button.  You can correct an error that way.  I do this quite often if I catch myself that is. 

[Lillian]

Dennis, now I'm confused!     Would you please clarify?

My Winsor & Newton raw sienna is a combination of gold ocher (PY42) and Indian Red (PR101).

I know that the definition of a  primary color is one that cannot be achieved by mixing together any other colors.

I like the tip you gave us that raw sienna doesn't easily turn green when blue is added.  It's very helpful and I remember you demonstrating that in one of the classes.

[Leana]

  Lillian... I did go and modify it afterwards (you will see it reads correct now  )...but left the note, because some folks might have read the unmodified version and then only read the follow ups on that...then not noticing the initial error... that is now from trying to type too fast...  or maybe I should rephrase ... the brain thinks to fast for the mouth and fingers which struggle keeping up with the fast thinking grey matter.

I agree it's great knowing that Raw Sienna doesn't turn green when blue is added.

The 'recipe' below I got from Dennis' late friend Andre Grobler - I watched his colour mixing video early last year...before I joined PB... and I mixed along with him... I did the mixing to get to Raw Sienna and Raw Umber... then I got my Raw Sienna and Raw Umber tubes of paint out to see how close the colours are... it was pretty awesome  ...

[Tousabella]

Thank you Leana.....sure will give it a whirl.  My color wheel doesn't quite let me know what colors coincide with manufacturer's colors. This is great.  I was soooooo discouraged yesterday....what a mess!!  LOL
Thanks again. Sure appreciate it.

[dennis]

Remember that there is not just one particular colour that is a primary colour. Printers use magenta for example as a red. They also use Cyan as the blue. Different reds give different variations of colour printing. TVs for example don't use yellow - they use red blue and green to make the colours you see on the screen.

For practical purposes any red, blue and green combination works for us artists. Witness the 2 reds, 2 blues and 2 yellows I mention in the 6-colour article I posted some time ago. You can even use other reds and blues and yellows  in it as long as there is a warm and a cool colour for each.

Most use Cad Red, Cad Yellow and Ultramarine in their colour wheel that people tend to take these colours as gospel. That is why I said some time ago that everyone should make a colour wheel with the actual colours you use in your box.

Most artists have their own favourite reds: Cad red, Aliz crimson, magenta, rose madder, premanent rose ...... and so on. All can be used a primary red.

The same goes for the blues and yellows.

[Tousabella]

Dennis...Do you know where I might find your six color article?  I've looked on the w/c site, but is it somewhere else, or is it on the color wheel lesson?
Colors are so crazy with different brands....then, some don't have what you need.  I must say that 'nothing' I did on my color wheel looked like your raw sienna!! 

[dennis]

It's in the menu Online Art Classes -> Art Tutorials -> Watercolour Painting -> MIscellaneous Tutorials

You will find it here  6ColourWheel

BTW the Raw Sienna I use is straight from the tube.

[Tousabella]

Thanks, Dennis. Much appreciated.

[SunRai]

This discussion is just what I need!  There is so much to know about colors, and while I understand color theory, the various paint choices for each "primary" make not as straight-forward as one might think!

~Pat